Heres a video that has it... the wildebeast part starts at 2:52
That's ... adorable!Heres a video that has it... the wildebeast part starts at 2:52
It was neet seein one get away wit its life for a change.!!!That's ... adorable!
Huh? Who doesn't keep their dog locked in or penned up? Who doesn't keep their dog on a leash and sometimes muzzled? Daniel Boone?Neither do most people, unless compelled.
Run outside? Yes, more often than not, if given half a chance. Bite? No, the biting response is for when the dog feels he's in imminent physical danger. A prisoner will not punch out every guard he sees but that doesn't mean he isn't looking for a chance to escape.Well, what does it do when master comes home? Bite him and run outside?
Like a prisoner who's taken outside to go to court, etc. Yes, a taste of free air is nice. Let him off the leash, let him out of the cuffs, and see how close he stays.Ever met a pet that was not apoplectic with joy about going for a walk?
It isn't about a contribution to the universe. It's about the perks.Do you think pets have such existential dilemmae about their contribution to the universe?
This is still anthropomorphizing.Regardless of how you rationalize it, for "most" pets, there is no freedom.
And generally Fido makes the final choice. Very few breeders force two dogs to mate.An Georgie makes the final choice...
Source? What dogs would these be? How do you conclude "very small minority" versus "vast majority"?You seem to be thinking about a very small minority of dogs that come immediately when they're called and do exactly what they're told without being told twice - because they want to. The vast majority of dogs are not that well assimilated into human culture.
If we are really talking about animals, why is it that you must use analogies to humans every time you ascribe a motive to an animal? The fact that you must - in a sense - commit a straw man fallacy every time you make a point - this should be a warning sign. If the discussion is about animals then the discussion is about animals - not humans.Like a prisoner who's taken outside to go to court, etc. Yes, a taste of free air is nice. Let him off the leash, let him out of the cuffs, and see how close he stays.
That's what I'm saying.Sure, they want to go outside, but they do not feel oppressed or imprisoned. We can tell this by how they behave toward their masters.
That's nonsense, of course. Otherwise there would be no such thing as a lost dog.The masters are the leaders of the pack, and if the master says stay in the cave, the pack stays in the cave.
Admittedly, I'm only going by my own experience. I personally have never seen a dog that wouldn't come and go freely if given the chance.How do you conclude "very small minority" versus "vast majority"?
Because humans are animals.If we are really talking about animals, why is it that you must use analogies to humans every time you ascribe a motive to an animal?
Because humans are animals.
Therefore their behaviour is not as dissimilar to human behaviour as you pretend.Humans are animals. Therefore - what?
Woud you consider it ethical if Georgie didnt have the choice.???And generally Fido makes the final choice. Very few breeders force two dogs to mate.
No... but i eat milk an egges.!!!Out of curiosity - do you eat meat?
So, since all firetrucks are trucks, therefore trucks behave like firetrucks? They have sirens and flashing lights?Therefore their behaviour is not as dissimilar to human behaviour as you pretend.
Because they like to be outside.How do dogs get "lost" if not because they take a chance at freedom?
We're not talking about captivity; we're talking about pet ownership - a place in the family.We observe the fact that dogs behave the same way in captivity as humans do.
Hmm. So you feel pets are immoral but are OK with how dairy cows and chickens are treated? From my experience, pets have far more freedoms, and are treated far better, than livestock.No... but i eat milk an egges.!!!
Yes i thank ownin pets has ethical issues... but im not oK wit how food animals are treated... an how about you... do you thank ther shoud be improvments in the threetment of dairy cows an chickens.???Hmm. So you feel pets are immoral but are OK with how dairy cows and chickens are treated? From my experience, pets have far more freedoms, and are treated far better, than livestock.
In many cases, yes. Good organic farms often take pretty good care of their livestock, but the vast majority of farms act only to maximize profits.an how about you... do you thank ther shoud be improvments in the threetment of dairy cows an chickens.???
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In many cases, yes. Good organic farms often take pretty good care of their livestock, but the vast majority of farms act only to maximize profits.
You don't need to treat them like pets - but in my opinion they should at least be treated like cows and chickens, not like meat and egg reactors.
We're not talking about vague similarities. We're talking about specific behaviours. Dogs behave like human prisoners. Trucks with sirens and flashing lights behave like fire trucks.Finding some similarities between two things does not mean you can expand the net of similarity freely.
I don't walk family members on a leash. I don't make family members stay off the couch.We're not talking about captivity; we're talking about pet ownership - a place in the family.
But they don't.Dogs behave like human prisoners.