He's right, duendy. You managed it smashingly when you responded to him, please give everyone the same courtesy.
Again, this is in response to you, so I'll omit the titles to the quotes.
me::because i trust them, theey seem genuine. my feelins, intuition, etc sees that they seem to be real. i wont insult them by askin for a piece of spaceship....or looking behind teir ears for implants like Joan Rivers looking for face job signs
Well, that's just not good science. You think you'd insult them by asking questions? Well, that's too bad for them. The rape victim better not be insulted when the doctor has to check for bruising around thier vagina. You claim things such as these, you had better be prepared to answer some questions!
me::i BET you would. no harm in that IF you have the piece. however we're talking about a family claiming to be being abducted
So you're saying that if I had the ship, no problem, but since I don't, I shouldn't even ask? That's BS. The family should be 100% prepared to answer questions since they are claiming not only that they are absolutely sure that life exists beyond Earth, but that it is intelligent and abducting our people out of thier cars at night! That is an extraordinary claim!
me:explain difference between 'possibility' and 'probability' please?
Seriously? Wow. OK...an example of my point:
(Possibility) I, as a citizen of New York State,
can win the New York State Lottery.
(Probability) I, as one of 18,976,457 citizens of New York State who can buy a lottery ticket, the chances of me winning are extremely low.
(Possibility) I, as a citizen of Earth, can encounter an intelligent alien race visiting our planet.
(Probability) I, as a citizen of Earth, which orbits one of 100 thousand million stars in the Milky Way Galaxy alone, the chances of encountering an alien race visiting our planet are extremely low
Result: They sell lottery tickets at just about every small gas station and quickie mart in the state of New York, and I can't account for how many that might be. So therefore, the chances of me winning are at least one in a number of million, and that doesn't account for the fact that the winning number is not always chosen at each drawing, and the chances of me winning decrease.
There is no real way to determine how many galaxies there are in the universe, nor how many stars each of them have, or how many of them may have life (intelligent or otherwise) around them. There are vast distances between these stars, with our closest neighbor at 4 light years away. Even if there are intelligent, star-faring races out there, the chances of them finding us is extremely remote. It would be like finding a needle in a haystack.
So...it is entirely possible that aliens have abducted people from here, but it is not at all probable.
me::very true....but to TREAT 'rape victim' as guilty from the start wont really help you. also it affects your own judgement. it's like assuming someone's a theif.....your behaviour will affect theirs....tis is an old Chinese insight!
True, but the fact is that these people are claiming something which is, quite honestly, ridiculous. If someone said they were raped by an alien, they would seem pretty crazy, right?
me::why would someone want fame by being thought by society as 'mentally ill' or 'whacko??
How do you know how they've been thought of? If they made this story up, they achieved their goal: They got their faces on television! Society may look upon them as nutzos, but they might not care, either. To them, and this is speculation, the fact that they had a camera crew in their home and an interviewer asking them questions about their ordeal was exactly what they wanted. The got fame and noteriety.
me::i am not exctly saying i believe them. i am moe explorin things. i keeps saying this. i am asking you to branch out in this inquiry and ALSO study the scince you adhere to, which is why i asked you if yo believed in materialstic science...which IS bias against such claims as that family's etc etc!
Call it what you want, but no discipline of science would accept what they say without evidence beyond their story. No discipline would. ALL science is biased against people who can lie without consequence. That's why they require evidence, sweetheart.
me::te onus isn't on me TO do that. fo itis you lot all te time crying for solid evidence. so go, do hat you have to to acquire it
I am not a scientist. It isn't in my best interests to go there and aquire the evidence. It is the burden, like it or not, of the claimant to provide the evidence. Hey, they don't have to! But don't expect anyone to believe them. Obviously, you are an exception.
me::no not a dirt road, an A road through the Moors
I don't know what the Moors are, so I can't say anything. But it's true, I'm assuming, that nobody saw this abduction? Of course nobody saw the abduction. It's all too easy.
me::maybe the 'aliens' aint as astupid as you errr tyhink, and arrange such dramatic encounters. besides i have heard of a fmous case where a grup of people in NYC DID see n abducton going on!
Oh come on. If this whole alien thing is true, they fly around in broad daylight! Why not abduct in broad daylight? Why not at least where others can see? What do they care? See, all you people change the motives of the aliens to fit your arguments. It's disgusting.
You don't know any better than I do what these alleged aliens would be thinking, so don't guess. The claim of abduction with no witnesses is the very same thing as a crime suspect claiming to be home alone on the night of the incident...it's too easy for someone to say "I was home, nobody saw me." rather than being able to supply at least a witness.
And there have been no reports of an abduction in NYC with a large group watching. That would be major news here, since I live in Upstate New York.
me:K fine...i respect that you haven't even seen te documentary..........tat is cool. rather than make a judgement from stuff yo aint even seen. but what about al te abuction cases you possibly/probably have seen? you dimiss them all?.....
I obviously don't dismiss them all. Did you not read what I wrote about the couple from 60 years ago? But I will say that once I see that the people say they have nothing but a story, I have to say I don't believe it. The story is always the same, duendy, and by that I mean that nobody even can verify these abductions! It's always to a single person on a farm or in their bedroom or to a group in their car on a lonely road and ALL of them fail to bring even a single independant witness to the table.
NOBODY comes forward to say "I saw this car get lifted into the fucking sky!"
mew::you are in a state of ''''i dont know if i believe them''''''which is like where i am at. it is a limbo state of: 'I DONT KNOW'....agreed?
You act like it's such a crime to not know the answer. There is no way to know the answer. Unless the people abducted can prove their abductions, you can only say "I don't know." because if it's all BS, you can't disprove a negative.
I can't prove that dragons don't come out at night. I can't prove that fairies don't fly around in Ireland.
you say 'How Do i KNow'.......right. when you got a problem of this magnitude, ii personally feel you have to then branch right out and go interdiscip;inary......ie., you have to researc all forms of inquiry which may give you hints. tis is why i ask such questions as 'do you believe in materialstic science'...to some thismay seem off the point. but it VERY isn't. it is about also exploring the CONTEXT one is exploring IN!....get me?
No, I don't "get you." You don't understand science, and that is very evident by your complete inability to form a sentance properly or spell more than two words in a row correctly. Your punctuation is horrid, and your spelling is worse. Your posts look like you're typing with a hockey puck, and it's annoying. Besides that, I will firmly doubt that you even grasp the different disciplines of science. You seem to think that one discipline of science might yield a different result to the question, but that's not true. All science requires evidence. All of it. None of it will hear their story and conclude that it is true.
I'm sorry, duendy, but you really don't know what you're talking about. Just in the way that you say "I trust them." about our "abductees" is so far from the scientific method that you preach, that you sound more like an idiot than a simple hypocrite. You trust them? Based on what? Are you sure the story is even true? I mean, how do you know that the documentary people didn't fake the whole thing? This is why your point of view is so skewed; you don't seem to realize that you must be weary of claims like this because of the incalcuable amount of reasons for lying...and because of this, you have to ask for evidence.
JD