Whence the atheist superficiality about other people's religiousness?

Anyway I'm arguing that there's a higher chance of Einstein being an atheist as atheists have higher IQ than non-atheists (whatever sematics you will use to differentiate magic believers).

Here's another source of a different study:

Intelligence is a predictor of religious scepticism, a professor has argued. Rebecca Attwood reports

Belief in God is much lower among academics than among the general population because scholars have higher IQs, a controversial academic claimed this week.

In a forthcoming paper for the journal Intelligence, Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, will argue that there is a strong correlation between high IQ and lack of religious belief and that average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 countries.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=402381&c=2
 
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921

“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” (Einstein, as cited in Clark 1973, 33).

It would certainly appear that Einstein did not believe in a personal God, but it would also appear that Einstein was not an atheist. He certainly never said anything that put him directly in that camp.
Once again, it depends on a person's concept of god. If there is only one god and I don't believe in yours - am I an atheist?
 
My point is, why are atheist bothered that he was not a theist, but are
quick to claim that Hitler was?

jan.
Atheists care very much. You will never see an atheist website without quotes from Einstein.

But this is the one Einstein quote you will never see on an atheist website.

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views. " Albert Einstein
 
Atheists care very much. You will never see an atheist website without quotes from Einstein.

But this is the one Einstein quote you will never see on an atheist website.

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views. " Albert Einstein

To understand Einsteins theism, you have to have some kind of understanding
of ''spinozas God''.
As atheists don't have any understanding (outside of intellect) about God (that's why they are atheist), they don't understand Einstein.

And don't let them tell you any different. ;)

jan.
 
Einstein had a high IQ so it is less likely he was religious.

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Yeah, he's not exactly the poster-boy for religious belief.

He's not exactly a poster boy for atheism either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmtK-X_MV0k
And this:

http://www.pulltheplugonatheism.com/vid01.shtml
 
Frankly I don't care much about Einstein or proving whether he's one or the other. All I'm saying is statistically people with high IQs are more likely to be atheist. Einstein had high IQ so he's statistically more likely to be an atheist. Whether or not he was, is not important (to me). I wasn't the one who brought him up and I don't see why he's so important that everyone will fight over him.
 
Anyway I'm arguing that there's a higher chance of Einstein being an atheist as atheists have higher IQ than non-atheists (whatever sematics you will use to differentiate magic believers).

I'm not sure that I entirely believe that. To the extent that it's true at all, it's most likely a crude statistic that doesn't really catch the nuances.

Here's what I mean:

Graduation from university is probably a better indicator of intelligence than simply taking an IQ test.

Here in the United States, in 2008, 27% of the over-25 population were university graduates.

But 31% of individuals who report no religious adherence are university graduates.

That's evidence that 'nones' are better educated than average, right?

Well, yes. But before we get carried away, let's look more closely at the numbers and break the figures down by several varieties of religious adherence:

Pentecostal/Charismatic - 13%

This grouping is most popular among the poor and among some racial minorities. These people often underperform in school and on IQ tests. Much of the reason for that might be socioeconomic.

Baptist - 16%

As above, but not so dramatically.

Catholic - 25%

This grouping comes in at near the national average (27%). That's not surprising, given the massive numbers (25.1% of American adults identify themselves as Catholic). My guess is that there's lots of variation within this group, ranging from Irish- and Italian-Americans who likely outperform, to many recent arrivals from Mexico who probably don't.

Mormon/LDS - 31%

The None's - 31%

Mainline Protestant - 35%

These are the Episcopalians, Methodists and Lutherans, typically the more theologically liberal denominations. Many of these people are from families who have been in the US for many generations and they are probably more upscale than average.

Jewish - 57%

This is a small group in which Torah study was traditionally considered a religious duty. As they have become secularized, their emphasis on study has broadened out to academics in general.

Eastern religions - 59%

Another small group, consisting of Asian immigrants who push their children very hard to succeed, combined with white converts who are typically drawn from better educated individuals.

The bottom line seems to be that in terms of university education, the difference between religious adherents and non-adherents is real but rather small. It's dwarfed by the variation between different kinds of religious adherents.

The numbers come from the authoritative 2008 American Religious Identification Survey (page 16 on the pdf version). If anyone is interested (it's a fascinating read) you can find the ARIS site by googling "ARIS survey".
 
Frankly I don't care much about Einstein or proving whether he's one or the other. All I'm saying is statistically people with high IQs are more likely to be atheist. Einstein had high IQ so he's statistically more likely to be an atheist. Whether or not he was, is not important (to me). I wasn't the one who brought him up and I don't see why he's so important that everyone will fight over him.

How do you think a well trained laboratary chimp would do in its natural environment given that it is considerably more ''educated'' than his jungle peers?

jan.
 
I'm not sure that I entirely believe that. To the extent that it's true at all, it's most likely a crude statistic that doesn't really catch the nuances.

Here's what I mean:

Graduation from university is probably a better indicator of intelligence than simply taking an IQ test.

No. Unless your definition of intelligence is "being knowledgable and/or hardworking"
 
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