That's brilliant Jan. Weren't you the one complaining about making you feel like a 2nd grader in that poll? How very appropriate that you now act as one.
Edit: Nevermind that was John99.
Edit: Nevermind that was John99.
Whence the atheist superficiality about other people's religiousness?
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Mind Over Matter
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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921
“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” (Einstein, as cited in Clark 1973, 33).
It would certainly appear that Einstein did not believe in a personal God, but it would also appear that Einstein was not an atheist. He certainly never said anything that put him directly in that camp.
well suppose we were discussing whether a prominent person in history was religious. If "most of the time I do not know whether or not it is based off a false premise and, frankly, I do not care enough to go an try to find out" any conclusions you care to make are hindered by a lack of investigative responsibility on your behalf.
Enmos
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If that were the discussion I obviously wouldn't hold that stance.
My point is, why are atheist bothered that he was not a theist, but are
quick to claim that Hitler was?
jan.
conversely, why are theists quick to claim that einstein was one of them but that hitler was an atheist ?
because theism (as advocated by theists) has a qualitative model .. atheists other hand, at least as far as this thread is concerned, don't (or admit that they don't care enough to question if there is)
Einstein had a high IQ so it is less likely he was religious.
Enmos
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But if theists start claiming to an atheist that Hitler was an atheist they make it personal.
Claiming that Einstein was a theist and Hitler was an atheist is part of an agenda that serves to make atheists as a group look bad. Again, that is making it personal.
''one of them''.
The point is, we care about the quality of the persons claim, not the words.
You guys don't. You don't want Einstein to be a theist because he was great scientist. But you want Hitler to a theist because of his actions.
theist = looking at the reality
atheist = trying to score points
jan.
Einstein had a high IQ so it is less likely he was religious.
if you don't have a qualitative model for theism, such statistics are completely useless.
("w -w-w-w-w-w- ... that's almost one datapoint")
Einstein had a high IQ so it is less likely he was religious.
Would you like me to raise your IQ level by explaining to you
the difference between ''theism'' and ''religion''?
jan.
So you want to try and argue that whatever mock up an atheists runs with when playing with the term "religion" is not an attempt to make it look bad or personal?
Would you like me to raise your IQ level by explaining to you
the difference between ''theism'' and ''religion''?
jan.
Do you think that countries with high concentration of "theists" also have a high concentration of "religious"?
Do you know that teaching me the difference between those two won't increase my IQ?
Do you think you can collect statistics about theism/religion when you don't have a qualitative model for it?
no but i can safely assume that there is a high correlation... would you like to try and prove it wrong?
Anyway here's some more material.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm
Anyway here's some more material.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm
given that you don't have a qualitative model for the words you are using, any correlation you want to talk about is simply imagination (but then the argument of "correlation=causation" is also an imagination anyway)
:shrug:
So you think it's a completely unreasonable assumption?