superstring01
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I never decided I was an atheist. I realized it. Much of that growth can be seen here in Sciforums.
I grew up in a religious family who taught a lot of hate and intolerance. I think I got my first taste of "separation" from who they were when I started to explore my sexuality. Despite those differences, I thought that I believed in most of the stuff they taught me (god, Jesus, Abraham, etc). I always had a craving for science and real answers (not stories or fairy tales). For most of my adulthood, I gravitated towards science based reading (despite a loathing for mathematics). Despite my religious carryover beliefs, I've always believed in evolution, the big bang and most widely accepted scientific theory. Somehow I always passively reconciled my belief in science with my belief in god as "God started it all, science explains everything from then on."
After reading "Return To Sodom & Gomorrah" by Charles Pellegrino, I realized that I didn't buy into any of the Abrahamic BS. It was at that time that I started becoming comfortable with my atheism.
A recent rant about religion that I wrote:
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I grew up in a religious family who taught a lot of hate and intolerance. I think I got my first taste of "separation" from who they were when I started to explore my sexuality. Despite those differences, I thought that I believed in most of the stuff they taught me (god, Jesus, Abraham, etc). I always had a craving for science and real answers (not stories or fairy tales). For most of my adulthood, I gravitated towards science based reading (despite a loathing for mathematics). Despite my religious carryover beliefs, I've always believed in evolution, the big bang and most widely accepted scientific theory. Somehow I always passively reconciled my belief in science with my belief in god as "God started it all, science explains everything from then on."
After reading "Return To Sodom & Gomorrah" by Charles Pellegrino, I realized that I didn't buy into any of the Abrahamic BS. It was at that time that I started becoming comfortable with my atheism.
A recent rant about religion that I wrote:
[Religious people like to quote physics--in particular the second law of thermodynamics--to refute evolution]. The second law of thermodynamics requires that a system must be CLOSED. [this annoying fact is constantly left out by the religious liars who are the first to dispense with pesky truths when they contradict their religious rhetoric] The Earth (more importantly-- its surface) is not a closed system at all. It receives a massive amount of energy from the Sun and residual nuclear energy from the core. One day soon (okay, in about 500 million years) the earth's core will stop spinning, and the atmosphere will begin to blow away. At that time, evolution (and life) will end. About about five billion years from now the Sun will begin to die and destroy the earth.
Quite by accident, [religious people have] stumbled on a fundamental truth about the cosmos: After about a half trillion years, the energy that fills in our universe will, indeed, run out. Entropy will inexorably continue, and all life--everywhere--will end. But for now, this little planet still receives all the energy needed for EVOLUTION from our local nuclear furnace (also called: THE SUN). The constant receipt of a wide range of energies constantly fuel the mechanisms of evolution. Entropy--for now--need not apply.
But there's a bigger issue here. . .
The rich bit of nonsense that [religious] people fail to provide us is this: Since they are "proof driven" (in that they constantly demand holographic footage, quantum dated by a Star Trek tricorder of Ambulocetus's feet sucking into her body on her way to becoming a whale) one is left to wonder if this same attitude is turned--full force--on their religious beliefs! Do they--for example--ask the same pressing questions and demand the same burden of proof of god's existence, burning bushes, ribs being morphed into women and whatnot? The obvious answer is: No. They do not. They are blinded by faith in that which cannot be proven--nay--even demonstrated by any science known to man. And that is where the deception begins.
Let's reverse this technique a bit and see where it takes us.
What proof is there that a deity created the universe? (This question should be reminiscent of those asked by creationists: "Where is the proof of evolution, transitory fossils? Why haven't we seen evolution in process?" Ring a bell?). Likewise, no one has ever SEEN a god create the universe, ergo it must never have happened. No person has ever seen a pillar of cloud, rivers turning to blood or a parting of seas, and since no scientific proof exists that people have been risen from the dead, water turned to wine or angels climbing down ladders from the heavens, surely these things must not have happened! After all, Christians demand scientific proof to believe in things like evolution, so surely they've demanded the same of their belief system!
Sadly, no.
Listed, side by side, the truth becomes obvious.
In one corner you have: A deity with long white beard, supposedly perfect (though, desperately needing little people to worship him) creating the world in 6 days, surly wives turning to salt, trumpets toppling walls of wicked cities, angels of death killing the first born of Egypt, trios of men standing in hot furnaces unharmed, snotty men getting gobbled by giant trout--remaining gastronomically bound for a few days--and returned to the earth unharmed, any number of people being raised from the dead, hair cutting draining one's super powers, global-genocidal floods, boats big enough to contain TWO OF EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL, EVERYWHERE, ON PLANET EARTH, people with life spans just under millennium, giant hands writing foreboding messages on walls of cities, messiahs strolling on water, chatty asses (not your butt: donkeys speaking Aramaic), parting of seas, stopping of rivers, plagues too numerous to name, magical golden arks that contain a place to sit when god gets tired feet, feeding of THOUSANDS with a pair of fish and five loaves of bread (the ultimate weight loss program), OH YEAH, and the stopping of the Sun so that god's chosen people could--once again--slaughter their enemies. Meanwhile, the earth is only a few thousand years old. [and that's the abridged version]
Keeping in mind that god slaughtering people is common place in the Bible. Floods, tent spikes through the noggin, cities burning to the ground and other warm-fuzzies are peppered throughout the bible. Meanwhile, at no point, do the followers of Christianity (nor Christ himself) deal with issues that we consider matter-of-fact ethics: wives as property, equal female rights, polygamy, slaughtering of cities, slavery, children as property of parents. The Christian world (barring polygamy) failed to come to grips with these issues until about a century ago. One would surely believe that a perfect god, his perfect son, Christ, and the many prophets of the Abrahamic faiths (of any variety: Islam, Judaism, Christianity and Baha'i; or those wacky "other guys" in Asia and Africa), could have just come out and said, "HEY PEOPLE! Listen Up!!! All societies must be ruled by the consent of the governed. There are no elite classes or castes, everybody is equal. And, LOOK, women and men are equal before God too, so you should emulate this fact on earth. Never treat females like property; treat them as equals before the law and in every aspect of society (they have hopes, dreams and wishes too, you know!). Your children aren't your property, so don't put them to work in factories where they can lose their fingers. Do not wage wars for expansion, live totally in peace with each other. Do not EVER colonize another land that's already occupied by other people nor should you ever wipe them out so that you can take their land. And for Vishnu's sake DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES own slaves or possess indentured servants. That's very, VERY bad and God just doesn't approve of it nor will you EVER get in to heaven if you treat another person like property." Seems pretty simple, yet we don't see any meaningful resolution to these fundamental ethical issues until about the last century and a half!!
In the other corner you have: A scientific theory, supported by the fossil evidence, a steady increase in the complexity of earth's life forms layered in the earth's strata. Rocks that have been accurately dated (via Uranium-Lead, Potassium-Argon, Rubidium-Strontium, Uranium-Thorium [to name a few] methods) that have all placed the earth's age in the billions of years. This is supported by sister sciences of plate tectonics, strata layering (as in: the accumulation of "stuff", layer upon layer on the earth) and astrophysics (dating the age of the universe via observing the motion and age of stars) and good ol' fashioned mathematics. It all says the same thing: The earth is OLD, and the universe is VERY old. Moreover, the theory of evolution along with plate tectonics have made eerily accurate predictions as to where fossil evidence will be found (Wadi Al Hitan, and the Canadian arctic, for example), though that need not be the validating point of the theory of evolution. It's true worth is in answering, accurately, how life on earth has developed over the eons without the need for tooth fairies, devils, gremlins, miracles, spells, ghosts, demonic possessions, mass exterminations or deity worship.
At no point is there any evidence of a creator, though there is evidence of an expanding universe that originated from an infinitely dense singularity billions of years ago. There is no evidence of a flood, though there is evidence of Iridium (delivered via a giant meteor) in precisely the same layer where dinosaurs started disappearing from the earth. There is no evidence of a garden of Eden, though there is evidence of billions of years of life, and about 300 million years of complex animals on the earth's surface who have gone through mass extinctions over time, but steadily developing over the years into what we have today. There is no evidence of pillars of fire or giant man-swallowing fish, though there is evidence that humans have been hunting and diversifying for the past two-hundred thousand years (see: mitochondrial DNA decoding; the Human Genome Project). There is no evidence of man being created in the image of a deity, but there is evidence of mankind spreading out from Africa many hundreds of thousands of years ago, who's genes--including odd and pointless genetic mutations, atavisms and vestigials--matching those of many similar apes on the same continent.
Supporting all this "nonsense", you have basically the collection of all the world's physicists, bio-chemists, paleontologists, geologists and other PhD level scientists--from diverse nations, universities, colleges and backgrounds, who are trained in weighing scientific evidence and understanding what a "fact" is--all buying into this silly thing called "EVOLUTION". On the other hand, the theory of evolution's main doubters are the same people that--for the better part of the past two millennia--burned witches on pyres, massacred unbelievers, tortured Jews in inquisitions, denied that the Earth revolved around the Sun, silenced (with the threat of death) great scientists, paid for crusades, currently oppress women in the Mideast, and--to add to all this--have the world's longest history of brain washing the masses and engaging in the most pointless and deadly wars.
When you consider the evidence and weigh facts--demanding proofs equally from either camp--at the end of the day, you're left wondering what ID brings to the table. The truth becomes obvious: Religion and I.D. is here simply to brain wash the masses into following religious elite while validating the insecurities of theists who simply do not understand--and have no capacity to understand--the science behind how the universe operates.
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