I disagree. He is either Aquinas or Descartes.
What would you accept as proof that a god exists?
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I disagree. He is either Aquinas or Descartes.
You can have whatever conceptions you like but what you need is a few facts.
You are making unwarranted assumptions. What persuades you that agnosticism makes for a miserable state of mind ? I believe it frees people from the shackles of all the god stuff that causes so many problems. In short, it enables people to get on with their lives.
A remedy for misery is unnecessary where no misery exists. I suspect you are being self-referential.
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When you work on a daily basis around a lot of tragedy, death, and dying you tend to see the work of a higher being. It's like a connection being made and once made a sort of peacefulness and acceptance takes hold. I swear, sometimes these people almost radiate this glow...it's weird. I see these people talking with angles and the hair on my arms stand on end. Death makes for the great beliver. My stats professor said once, "Why gamble? On your deathbed ask for forgiveness, are you going to spend eternity in hell over a simple sentence, if your right who cares, if the preacher is right you will win either way."
Yeah those are pretty much what I came up with in a much more well-defined way. I thought about it for a while and could not see how we, as humans, would ever get past your second point.
It's always struck me as bizarre that you could, theoretically, rob and rape andd kill all day, every day, yet enter paradise on the basis of a single last-minute repentance speech. It says a lot about the power of forgiveness but I can't help feeling that it's slightly unjust and a bit of a cheat.
Your professor was quoting Pascal who, in my opinion, was a moral coward, backing his horse both ways.
You are reacting emotionally to what you see, which is naturali the circumstances. You don't know what the state of mind is of the people who are dying. A you probably know, lots of people claim to have experienced NDEs but there's a physiological explanation.
When I have seen people close to death, some with horrible diseases. I ask myself how anyone can believe in god.
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That's one of religion's main arrractions. You can avoid living with responsibility for you actions by telling yourself that god has forgiven you. An atheist has no such comfort blanket and must take full responsibility for what he does.
there's a test for that??
Randi has unmasked all sort of fraudsters in his time. Anyone who claimed to perform miracles would be grist to his mill.
Nothing is a problem for those who have a glib answer to any objection to what what they believe. You just make it up as you go along. Life should be that easy !
im only enlightened in some things... because my life sux. so i have nothing to do but think all day. jesus said in the bible that i should hate my life and my parents so that i go to heaven.... ... but im not even sure what he meant
if i was enlightened i would find a way to end this life... or ...atleast make it not suck
and i really haven't... experienced anything weird...... just pain
the bible said.. through his (jesus) wounds we are healed
yes.. through my own wounds
yoda is enlitened..... in star wars... ur avatar
i dont like starwars
agreed. If I was a Christian I would be pissed as hell to see Hitler and Ted Bundy in heaven.
Can you imajine anything worse than seeing George Bush sitting on a cloud ?
my answer is honest, valid, and makes perfect sense. the fact that you don't like it doesn't affect the integrity of it, just your impression of it.
it seems to me that pain brings enlightenment. i think it says that in the bible somewhere too. that's why monks torture themselves. as if normal everyday life isn't enough (???) but it's true it seems, the more comfortable you are the less driven you are. comfort = lazy. people who are "happy" don't want answers...they don't have questions. most of the time it seems they want ignorance. after all, ignorance is bliss right? in some ways it is.
do you know why the bible says to hate this life and your parents?
is that a picture of you?