What would you accept as proof that a god exists?
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Nothing.........
Even if the clouds opened and a beardy guy stuck his head through and shouted "cooey, it me, God", I still wouldn't believe.
I'd just shout back, "opening clouds, big deal. You screwed up with all of the rape, pillage and murder by the Israelites, your too homophobic and scared of pussies........... Not exactly my image of perfection........ Now bugger off!"
Even if the clouds opened and a beardy guy stuck his head through and shouted "cooey, it me, God", I still wouldn't believe.
I'd just shout back, "opening clouds, big deal. You screwed up with all of the rape, pillage and murder by the Israelites, your too homophobic and scared of pussies........... Not exactly my image of perfection........ Now bugger off!"
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That post is irrelevant according with spidergoats wisdom as well, previous poster.
The reason is simple really:
We are discussing weather or not we would believe in God.
We are not discussing foundations for a beliefe in God or even a foundation which states that a "God" is a necessary universal riddle.
The reason is simple really:
We are discussing weather or not we would believe in God.
We are not discussing foundations for a beliefe in God or even a foundation which states that a "God" is a necessary universal riddle.
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i'm inclined not to believe you, but instead i'll settle for a relative definition of weird. and i only contest because you are one of the most enlightened ones i've ever heard witness, and i know you had to experience it to get that way.
I would say your analysis is irrelevant, you failed comprehend the full meaning of the perfection statement. which would be applicable to any religion it being subjective.
Who says there isn't perfection>? Trying to contradict my posts most of the time is like trying to contradict a wall.
You can't contradict a wall, can you.
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For there to be "proof of God", several other things would need to be true, at least these:
1. All humans and all other phenomena would need to possess selfhood; ie. each of them would need to possess an identity that would be independent, existent in and of itself.
2. There would need to exist such a thing as objective reality (as opposed to subjective reality) that would be known as such to all humans.
3. Humans would need to have free will. This includes the ability to instantly see through one's delusion if one would be delusional.
I am not sure about any of these three points, so I don't seek proof of God.
1. All humans and all other phenomena would need to possess selfhood; ie. each of them would need to possess an identity that would be independent, existent in and of itself.
2. There would need to exist such a thing as objective reality (as opposed to subjective reality) that would be known as such to all humans.
3. Humans would need to have free will. This includes the ability to instantly see through one's delusion if one would be delusional.
I am not sure about any of these three points, so I don't seek proof of God.
Growing back lost limbs, making severly retarded people intelligent, turning the statue of liberty into solid diamond, ... you get the point.
As far as agnosticism goes - in theory, I agree with what you say. But not when applied to real, everyday life.
Agnosticism makes for a miserable state of mind. Sure, people who can afford a certain level of material comfort can remedy this misery to some extent - so externally, such agnostics don't seem to be all that bothered by their agnosticism.
And as for atheism - The concept of "atheism" doesn't apply when those three conditions mentioned above are not in place.
Without James Randi's approval you won't conclude on your own?
Correction. You can't talk to a wall.