What will Christians do when their religion dies?

[duendy]

I don’t know specifically what you’re talking about? d__Maybe, you aint done the necessary research?

Why is that Christianity’s fault? What we’re doing is not a Christian action. It is the will of the neocons. The Neocons are not a particularly religious bunch… though they think religion is good.
d__Easy. the man in CJHARGe is a 'BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN'...hint hint

How much do you honestly know about American politics?

d__are you suggesting i can only talk about it if i have a phD in american ploitics? that is elitist garbage designed to stop ordinary people discussing about things that effect THEIr lives. dont believe that shit man. you have the power to find out for yourself. and a generalist approach is good to do this too. i am sure many people who ARe highly edsucated in american politics are so indoctrinated they cannot really see outta the box

I wouldn’t presume to understand British politics unless I studied them… and I have not.

d__basically, they are the poodle of Bush. period!

Have you studied American politics… or just taken in what the local media says?

d__oh no...shiiit. dont trust the LOCAL media. you have to know how to search the underground shit and use your intelligence to trust what you discover


Actually, that has yet to be established. The international courts, or at least so they call themselves, have yet to charge the US or UK for any wrong doings.

d__oh, maaaan. believe us. it WAs illegal. a preemptive strike. unprecedented in modern warfare. though i dont agree with war in any form

Innocent until proven guilty.

d__go tell that to the many MANy thousands of innocent Iraqis, and Afghanis who have lost their lives, their families, had limbs blown off, have cancers, and deformed babies, and have to live in a toxic environemnt for ever now!

You want to go against US and UK legal teams? Because I’m fairly certain they could humiliate anyone that tried it.

d__so you are in awe of that shit are you. i am not. it is just a skill designed to obfuscate the truth is all


Yep, superior armament against tanks. It’s good because it goes through old soviet armor like a white-hot knife through butter.

d__and thats what you know huh? like i say. your needing more research into this subect

www.DennisKyne.com look for the links about 'shadows'

The War on Iraq is a Nuclear War
www.awakenedwoman.com/moret_nuclear

if you have trouble with these urls let me know. i have others but me notes are scatered and unfiled

The guy in the tank is going to die regardless… does it really matter that his corpse might be slightly radioactive? Cus that’s the only difference.

d__'slight' radioactive, and SUCH senistivity.....NOT! and it aint only men in tanks. in Gulf War 1 they mainly used DU in the desert. in their ltest war they used it on countryside and villages


It wasn’t used in quantities large enough to damage Iraq’s ecosystem. Furthermore, it’s only mildly radioactive.

d__RUBBISH. like i said your research leaves a lot to be desired. you just say and expect it to be true. bit like a politician really. question: when was the last time you even HEARd the mainstream media even MENTION DU?



If it makes you happy we’re going to stop using lead for our bullets in the next ten to twenty years… we’ll be going on to some ceramic plastic type that doesn’t poison the land like lead does. We’re also going to start using biodegradable explosives… Most explosives have heavy metal compounds that damage the environment… so we’re going to transition to types that biodegrade… at least the residue will… I don’t know if the explosive will prior to detonation.

d__and that's supposed to mKE me happy is it. i really am aware of the callousness and indifference all round. it is so excruciatingly depressing. it is like people have completely lost ANY humainity, all spirit. and yet they harp on about religion like its goin outta fashion

We’re also transitioning more to robotic warfare… so the loss of life should be lower on both sides. Fewer US soldiers and pilots will die… and because the robot is expendable it can get close enough to the target to only kill the enemy… and leave the innocents untouched.

d__are you for real mate?...just askin
i feel uncomfortable with your relating to me the future 'benefits' of 'good war'. actually it may have slipped your notice that the Gulf ways have been robotic...like video games? here the pilots firing the evil fukc dont even have to SEe what they've just melted...that what you mean?....and you think that's progress do you?

Love and Peace, Karmashock.

HAH jeeeezus ...you are sumthin else aren't you

 

[surenderer]

Are you really so crass as to believe that the US invaded another country just to please our war industry?

We're not evil dude.

we're not the "great satan"... I don't know where this radical stuff comes from... it isn't even well thought out.

Love and Peace, Karmashock.

Me you an the average citizen arent evil......but our foreign policies could easily be seen as evil by someone living under a repressive regime supported by the US.....ask a Iraqi living under Sadaam prior to 1990 if the US was evil for supporting him(especally one that was gassed by US posion he was given)

 

[Karmashock]

Karma you seem to be in love with saying that "only radical Islam" is making this a religious war yet Bush himself said that"God told him to attack Sadaam" also he seems to be in love with calling anyone that opposes his invasion "evil" ( another religious term)

Just because it's a moral action doesn't make it a holy war. Hitler was evil... is that a religious statement? I'm not saying saddam is hitler. I'm saying that you can fight against evil without things getting religious.

Does it take an international court to tell you the invasion was illegal?

There has been no offical statement declaring the war illegal to my knowledge. Until such time the claim is meaningless.

of course... I don't recognize the UN's right to declare such things to begin with... but that's just me.

Then you must think Sadaam or OBL are innocent also because nether of them has faced trial either. You know that only US might has stopped any reprecussions from anything happening to the US on this one....heck Sadaam had better reasons for invading Kuwaiit than the US did for invading him :m:

We got offical sanction by the UN to invade the first time... and BOTH Saddam and Osama (if captured alive) will have their day in court.

Love and Peace, Karmashock.

 

[duendy]

Are you really so crass as to believe that the US invaded another country just to please our war industry?

d__your naiveity overwhlems me. though i can only excuse it because i am VERy aware how opressively insular and manipulative the US mianstream media is.
what i wont forgive about naiveity though is when this here--the Web is available. why dont you USe it! use and you will find.
think about it. what does a BUSINESs want? what is the CRITERIA for businessnessness?
EXPANSION right. it needs to be fed. so, is the war business/industry any different than the criterias for all business nterprise? what do you think.

We're not evil dude.
d__methinks you protest too much (Shakespeare)

we're not the "great satan"... I don't know where this radical stuff comes from... it isn't even well thought out.

d__oh but it is. this is why i encourage a generalist approach to thinkin it out. the very NOTION of 'satan' for example. as you know, Bush is a born again christian. i think we can all agree with that. and what do they believe in? they HAVe to have a 'satan' a 'devil' a scapegoat in order to justify their self-righteousness, right? do you agree? and couple THat with power and a war industry lookin to be fed, and what you GOt is EVIL. the CREATION OF an 'enemy'...then the means of propaganda to make the people AFRAID Of an 'enemy' and then you caN MANIPULATE THEM ANY WAY YOU WANT. this is how power works. they are mainpulating you.

Love and Peace, Karmashock.

whateverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[surenderer]

Just because it's a moral action doesn't make it a holy war.

I see how you skipped over how Bush said that "God told him to attack
Saddam"

Hitler was evil... is that a religious statement? I'm not saying saddam is hitler. I'm saying that you can fight against evil without things getting religious

Psssttt........Hitler was a Christian(so it isnt just radical Islam)

There has been no offical statement declaring the war illegal to my knowledge. Until such time the claim is meaningless.

We got offical sanction by the UN to invade the first time... and BOTH Saddam and Osama (if captured alive) will have their day in court.

Back in 1990? I thought you didnt recognize the U.N.....maybe you just recognize what suits you to do so.....that sounds about like a Bushie

 

[Karmashock]

Me you an the average citizen arent evil......but our foreign policies could easily be seen as evil by someone living under a repressive regime supported by the US.....ask a Iraqi living under Sadaam prior to 1990 if the US was evil for supporting him(especally one that was gassed by US posion he was given)

You can't see all US actions as by the Same group or ideology.

The US is changing. In the past we allied with nations. These two wars were about allying with people. That is the new doctrine. It will take us a generation to get out of the mess Kissinger put us in...

But we will be a moral nation again.
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I see how you skipped over how Bush said that "God told him to attack
Saddam"

I thought I addressed that. It doesn't make it a religious war. Look at the people behind Bush that pushed this thing. Do they strike you as deeply religious people? They aren't. When Bush says "God", its just his way of saying he thinks he's on the side of right.

Psssttt........Hitler was a Christian(so it isnt just radical Islam)

No he wasn't. He believed in mystism or was an atheist. He was anti Christian if anything.

If that's the best you've got, then it's rather obvious why the US and UK have ignored the statement as baseless.

Back in 1990? I thought you didnt recognize the U.N.....maybe you just recognize what suits you to do so.....that sounds about like a Bushie

The UN doesn't mean much to me. However, I assumed it meant something to you. So if you support the UN, then you will recognize that that war was legal and an official UN action.

If you don't, then you don't respect them any more then I do.


At least I'm honest about my feels for them. You seem to just support them when they have a beef with the US.

Love and Peace, Karmashock.

 

[TheERK]

Psssttt........Hitler was a Christian(so it isnt just radical Islam)

This probably isn't true.

To avoid confusion, yes, I'm aware that he's made some Christian statements, but these were almost certainly politically minded rather than a sincere reflection of his beliefs.

Anyway, it doens't matter and you shouldn't need to resort to this. A lot of good people were Christians, and a lot of bad people were. Ditto for every religion, or atheism.

 

[surenderer]

No he wasn't. He believed in mystism or was an atheist. He was anti Christian if anything.

Karma,


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”


( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 65. )






“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago — a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

“Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!

“And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.”

( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922; from Norman H. Baynes, ed., The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1, New York: Oxford University Press, 1942, pp. 19-20.


I have read his Mein Kampf in the past and he makes many more statements regarding his (or at least his version) Christian feelings

peace to you :m:

 

[surenderer]

This probably isn't true.

To avoid confusion, yes, I'm aware that he's made some Christian statements, but these were almost certainly politically minded rather than a sincere reflection of his beliefs.

Anyway, it doens't matter and you shouldn't need to resort to this. A lot of good people were Christians, and a lot of bad people were. Ditto for every religion, or atheism.

Indeed I agree....but when statements are made that the only religion that is politcally motivated towards violence is Islam then I feel as if I must set the record straight.Sorry dudes but Hitler is a Christian as much as OBL is a Muslim.......I personally dont think either one is a member of their respective religions.....(actions speak louder than words)I do hope you say the same thing when one uses OBL to represent all of Islam :m:

 

[duendy]

BUSH, HITLER and MYSTICISM And CHRISTIANITY: there seems some confusion here from karmashock regarding how all of that is commensurate with the violent actions those men/tyrants do, so let me explore this to maybe clear things up

all the three generation sof the Bush familiay have been inititated into a secret elite mysical club called the SKULL&BONES .....That club is connected to the one Hitler and the SS were part of which had as one of its names The THULE Society.......the mysticism is similar between them. Bush's granfather made lots of money from Nazism

The DREAMS , MOTIFS, and BELIEFs of those cults and mysticism and Christianity are more or less the same. it is a MOVe towards the 'light' and a retreat from the 'dark. the dark is demonized, and this fear of it also includes fear and superiority regarding non-white people, and WOMEN, and NATURE. they are ANTI-Nature. because their central tenet is a going towars the LIGHT. they thus see Nature in its present state as dark and needing purification

you migh think all this is BS, but i can assure you it's all there to be researched about. and it gives you an insight as to why politics as we know it operates. don't be even fooled when people in power claim they are not religious. for unconsciously all that unreolved shit is workin itself out in their ACTIONS. that;s whay they are so dangerous

 

[duendy]

Another EXTREMELY important thing....all you lot who support that viscious evbil thug, smirkinBUshjunior........talk about selvetive MEMORY. you have selcetive EVERYTHING. you are THe perfect example of the ones who see the naked emperor WITh clothes on!

for a kick off..9/11...i was severly shoked by the horror of that. i was on holiday at the time, in a shack by a beaach. it was SO quite apart from the surf. on a TV i happened to see the news and all that horror was emphasized in such a beautiful place

3000, people, a shock right? well think about how many have been killed in Iraq. MANy more than that including children,and babies, including many having awful awful injuies, and losing limbs etc. how would you have felt if THat had happened in NYC? would you have condoned all out NUCLEAR hiroshoma style reaction.....?

so, anyway. we then see--and i have seen this documented here over and over--Bush tellin the 'folks' he wants bin Laden. well, how comes then he lets all the family LEAVE on the ONLy planes allowed to fly as all others have been grounded?..his familiy also have done BUSINESs with that family...you should study all this. i am not doing the job for you!

the whole thing STINKS to high heaven. and those who cannot see what's going on...i would personally be ashamed to ADMIT it

 

[Karmashock]

surenderer,

He used it to manipulate the masses, he didn't believe it. THere is a huge difference.

The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

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Falsification of ALL religious beliefs are not beyond the ability of science. God does/does not exist is an answerable question; in the not to distant future. The work done in the areas of Quantum Mechanics combined with AI-computer technologies - will deal a somber death blow to what ALL current belief systems are; in anywhere from 50-200 years (+/-).

No, a supreme being could change your results in real time or after your saw something... of course it could wrap you a pocket of other reality that didn't have god in it, but was subject to it.


To be god is be able to do literally anything... including hide its existence if it wishes.

There is NO way to find a supreme being if it doesn't want to be found.

Glad to hear you have some respect for its ablity to have a positive infulence.
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BUSH, HITLER and MYSTICISM And CHRISTIANITY: there seems some confusion here from karmashock regarding how all of that is commensurate with the violent actions those men/tyrants do, so let me explore this to maybe clear things up

here we go...

all the three generation sof the Bush familiay have been inititated into a secret elite mysical club called the SKULL&BONES .....That club is connected to the one Hitler and the SS were part of which had as one of its names The THULE Society.......the mysticism is similar between them. Bush's granfather made lots of money from Nazism

this is just stupid conspiracy nonsense... I thought you were going to clarify things... all you're doing is throwing conspiracy mud in the water.

Skull and Bones takes in members of the elite. It's a club for such people... it has no political philosophy beyond that. Boston is known for many such clubs... it doesn't mean anything sinister... if anything such rumors just tickle their egos.

The whole thing is stupid and should be ignored. It's like writing "no girls allowed" on the club house door... that's cool when you're 7 years old because the girls want in and you don't much care for them. Likewise, Skull and bones is gets a kick out of people probing and coming up with stupid theories.

The DREAMS , MOTIFS, and BELIEFs of those cults and mysticism and Christianity are more or less the same. it is a MOVe towards the 'light' and a retreat from the 'dark. the dark is demonized, and this fear of it also includes fear and superiority regarding non-white people, and WOMEN, and NATURE. they are ANTI-Nature. because their central tenet is a going towars the LIGHT. they thus see Nature in its present state as dark and needing purification

you migh think all this is BS, but i can assure you it's all there to be researched about. and it gives you an insight as to why politics as we know it operates. don't be even fooled when people in power claim they are not religious. for unconsciously all that unreolved shit is workin itself out in their ACTIONS. that;s whay they are so dangerous

is there a conspiracy theory or kook fantasy that you don't believe in?

aliens (reptilian or otherwise)?
Bigfoot (asian or American variants)?
JFK (other than Oswald)?
Crop circles?
Carlyle group?
Atlantis?
Elvis still alive?
Men in black?
Nostradamus (predicting the future)?

Just give us a yes or no for each… and feel free to add your own.

 

[spidergoat]

It is George the Liberator who has freed millions of Afghanis and now Iraqis. The Iraqis are grateful for their opportunity to choose their own destiny. It is their God given right that has been trampled on by despots for so many years. Freedom is worth fighting and dying for. Our forbearers fought and died for us so we could be free, now it is our turn to repay the debt and help others to achieve our same blessings.

LOL, you are freeking hilarious, a ditto head for sure, you really drink the kool-aid. You know women in Afghanistan still have to wear the burka, and get thrown in jail for running away from home? Do you know the Taliban still exist there? Setting up an election in Iraq is the least we could do after destroying their country and failing to rebuild anything while stealing huge amounts of money from reconstruction funds, and it's in no way a justification for the war. You must like the widespread torture, described by one man as "worse than Saddam", and the impending civil war in Iraq between the Sunnis and Shias. You must love the record national debts that weaken the dollar, the planned rape of Social Security, the corruption of the vote in Ohio and the beginning of the corporate owned ballot box. And you must be crazy about Rumsfeld's new SS force.

 

[surenderer]

surenderer,

He used it to manipulate the masses, he didn't believe it. THere is a huge difference.




Hmmm........Hitler's Germany combined state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. I think he did believe it.


http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

 

[duendy]

karmashock...YOUR tying to make ME look a fool huh?

let me ask you: are YOU a member of the Skull&Bones?

i am guessing you aren't?

Can you thn tell us what you know specifically about their philosophy please?

Listen dude. NEVEr underestimate myths/the stories we tell ourselves.
I mean you DO know that the whole Nazi vision and horrendous behaviour was based on a myth don't you?
So, why then do you presume it ended THERe with that tyrant and the same cant be infecting tyrant Bush? why do you assume that

and another thing about the accusation of being a concpiracy theorist. THat very accusation can stop you exploring about the underlying motives of power-weilders. why? because uhhhh i dont want to look like a wuss and be called a CT is why

but any way. what the f do you know what goes on in the old S&B club dude. it would be REAL fun if you ARe a member cause then i can make some more notes

i await with baited breath

 

[okinrus]

M*W: Everytime I go to B&N I find evermore referenced materials on the falsification of Christianity.

And the actual validity of any of the points mentioned in those books is likely to be quite small. In reality, the evidence we have of early Christianity is less than those who were early Christians. So, if the early movement aggressively spread, then it's unlikely for there to be conclusive early evidence disproving Christianity.

I believe the truth is being told, but they haven't accepted it. What will Roman Catholics do? It will be their faith that crumbles first.

And what makes you think that this time is worst than when the vandals and huns were threatning Rome, or when Islam was aggressively spreading, taking over the Holy Land and Spain?

Only when Christianity falls will there be the possibility of World Peace.

Warfare did exist before Christianity, and unchristians still fight among themselves.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

okinrus: And the actual validity of any of the points mentioned in those books is likely to be quite small.
*************
M*W: okie, have you read any of these books? Seems to me that there are more and more referenced writings against Christianity.
*************
okinrus: In reality, the evidence we have of early Christianity is less than those who were early Christians. So, if the early movement aggressively spread, then it's unlikely for there to be conclusive early evidence disproving Christianity.

And what makes you think that this time is worst than when the vandals and huns were threatning Rome, or when Islam was aggressively spreading, taking over the Holy Land and Spain?
*************
M*W: Modern scholars as opposed to vandals and huns. I wish for your sake Christianity was true, but I've long known that it was not. I've been a victim, too.

Warfare did exist before Christianity, and unchristians still fight among themselves.[/QUOTE]

 

[Karmashock]

Hmmm........Hitler's Germany combined state with church.

He used it, he wasn't a Christian.
Review that large selection of quotes I gave you. He had nothing but contempt for Christianity.

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

Review the other quotes if this isn't enough for you.
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karmashock...YOUR tying to make ME look a fool huh?

let me ask you: are YOU a member of the Skull&Bones?

i am guessing you aren't?

What is their philosophy... and how do you know it? It’s a stupid club for rich bastards and sons of senators. An elitist society that offends me for it’s classiest nature, but there is nothing more to it then that.

You didn't answer my questions about things you believe in.

Repeated:
aliens (reptilian or otherwise)?
Bigfoot (asian or American variants)?
JFK (other than Oswald)?
Crop circles?
Carlyle group?
Atlantis?
Elvis still alive?
Men in black?
Nostradamus (predicting the future)?

Yes or no, please. Seriously... humor me.

but any way. what the f do you know what goes on in the old S&B club dude. it would be REAL fun if you ARe a member cause then i can make some more notes

i await with baited breath

I'll answer this after you humor my conspiracy question.
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LOL, your brain-farts are quite silly - all on their own.

Yet!
a.) A magical god could be so magical that its magic could not be detected; because its really really magical.
b.) God is so invisible and un-detectable and hides from being known - therefore he exists!

If you wish to discuss AI-tech and Quantum reality implications and the “supreme being” existing in super-nature fallacy fine; but your silly comments are pointless absurdities.

You don't seem to grasp what a God actually is... It is an absolute being. Nothing is out of it's grasp. If you think you can see it, then you're just being arrogant.

I am not saying there is a god. I am simply saying that if there is a god, it could easily prevent you from finding it - forever.

Therefore it is a matter of faith. You either have it or you don't.


Love and Peace, Karmashock.

 

[okinrus]

M*W: okie, have you read any of these books? Seems to me that there are more and more referenced writings against Christianity.

Yes, I have a history book on the occult. Never could make through it. There's a little basis for a conspiracy view of history. Most events happeneded the way they recorded it, or similar to the way recorded.

M*W: Modern scholars as opposed to vandals and huns.

Not every modern scholar is anti-christian.

I wish for your sake Christianity was true, but I've long known that it was not. I've been a victim, too.

You may know, but you have not shown or proven?

 

[Gambit Star]

What will enforce the eventuation of a religion dying ?

I think any sort of belief or belief system will only progress to our higher self.
Christianity has strong morals that can help just about any civilization have stability in sharing love and prosperity, and that goes for any religion too.

Not being a christian myself, I still believe in the beautiful ideals it beliefs and the wonder man, Jesus, can share.
Implying that Christianity will eventuate into a non-existance assumes that beliefs is pointless and quite rude to the chrisitians that go to church every sunday with an open heart.

Nothing ever dies, it just changes.