Why don't you find out for yourself what it means? Why do some religious people have such an intolerance for ambiguity? Life is a blank canvas, not a coloring book.
What was the message of Jesus?
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Become like little children...become unconditioned...this applies to real life because in reality all we're actually seeking is happiness...
children are indoctrinated into religion, ( that means conditioned,) so you cant become unconditioned children.
so what your saying is you either have to become like children by having a brain trauma to obtain this kingdom, or become an unconditioned person such as an atheist to obtain this kingdom, which is it.
you cant be unconditioned and a religious child the two are mutually exclusive.
so what your saying is you either have to become like children by having a brain trauma to obtain this kingdom, or become an unconditioned person such as an atheist to obtain this kingdom, which is it.
you cant be unconditioned and a religious child the two are mutually exclusive.
AHAAHAHAHAHAHA...pretty funny man
Do you know what being conditioned is? Being unconditioned has nothing to do with being a theist or atheist...lots of people are also raised atheists...
Being unconditioned means having no more insecurities...being free, free at last....overtime everyone is conditioned by their past experiences and develop many insecurities which hold them back their entire life from experiencing happiness....
But nice try with spreading meaningless atheistic propoganda..
Conditioning can be undone. That's why spiritually inclined people go off to desert or mountains or monasteries, engage in esoteric rituals or substances, spend lots of time alone...
perhaps I'm reading an alien dictionary to the rest of the world does'nt yours say this
Conditioned:
characterized by a predictable or consistent pattern of behavior or thought as a result of having been subjected to certain circumstances or conditions.
and this
Indoctrinated:
to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
what is the difference, because Indoctrinate means
Main Entry: brainwash
Synonyms: alter, catechize, condition, convert, convince, educate, influence, instill, persuade, proselytize, teach
well if you were making this point in another forum other than this one I would heed your point, but you aren't.
in this respect uncondition could well mean free of the religious indoctrination
yes, but your point being here is.
atheist are not in doctrinated, you cant indoctrinate atheism thats infantile.
exactly
yes we all have our burdens, but we are on a religious forum, we are not discussing life and lifes science or an other aspect of our lifes just religion. and in that respect conditioned and unconditioned have been correctly interpretated, by me.
and why people, come to there sense and become atheists.
There's tons of evidence that the Bible is true, but you have to go into it with an unbiased attitude, which is difficult for many to do, it makes you unpopular in many circles.
and theres a ton of evidence to show it's lies, which makes all the aledged true parts suspect.
so it does'nt matter how biased or unbiased you are does it. this is why atheist are very unpopular to the theist.
The the veracity of the Bible is consistently born out with ongoing archaeology, and no archaelogical find has contradicted the Bible, quite remarkable.
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M*W: Just simply provide one tiny ounce of evidence that you bible is true. That should be easy enough, since you say there are tons of evidence. The only way you can bring out the truth in the bible is to read it from an astro-theological standpoint. Then it becomes clear. (Notice: I did not say it becomes "true." I said it becomes "clear." I am not promoting the belief in astro-theology. I am only promoting its truthful translation).
Reading the bible with "an unbiased attitude" is like telling someone to read the Yellow Pages without looking up something in particular. Sure, it's difficult if not downright impossible to do. Mostly, it's a big waste of time. That's why after all these millenia, people come up with different interpretations of the same shit. If you want to find something, you need look for it with bias of forethought. Otherwise, you're not going to find the truth.
Also, if you find the truth in something, why would you care if you were unpopular in certain circles. I don't. Life is not a popularity contest. If you seek the truth, there is a greater likelihood that you will find it, but as long as you believe in the old and worn lies perpetuated by posterity, you will always be in the dark. Try looking at the bible with new eyes. You might learn something. You might even find the truth.
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What is the nature of this fear and unhappiness?
What is its route cause?
What is the standard of this potential?
Which is?
What is the nature of that oneness?
That's all well and nice, but cultivation requires other things to yeild results.
What is the existing standard to measure oneself against?
In what sense would it be intellectual?
Jesus talked about his father, God, didn't he, so why doesn't it matter?
So, basically you come to this realisation by adhereing to the teaching Jesus.
So why have you left God, whom Jesus spoke of, out of your concept?
Jan.
PS. apologies for all the questions. but I'm not entirely sure where you are coming from.
What is the nature of this fear and unhappiness?
What is its route cause?
What is the standard of this potential?
Which is?
What is the nature of that oneness?
That's all well and nice, but cultivation requires other things to yeild results.
What is the existing standard to measure oneself against?
In what sense would it be intellectual?
Jesus talked about his father, God, didn't he, so why doesn't it matter?
So, basically you come to this realisation by adhereing to the teaching Jesus.
So why have you left God, whom Jesus spoke of, out of your concept?
Jan.
PS. apologies for all the questions. but I'm not entirely sure where you are coming from.
Probably our intelligence, the ability to predict our own death, our alienation from nature caused by relatively rapid physical and cultural evolution.
It's a leap into the unknown, there are likely no limits or standards, we are young Gods.
Every way but mentally, which is a construction of the mind, which is limited by the senses and it's own structure.
The space-time-matter-continuum. The very fabric of reality.
The reports of people who have cultivated and experienced something unpredictable and indescribable (to a degree).
If we think the teaching of Jesus was an idea that can be adopted, like accepting a dogma, or a statement of truth or faith. Those take place in the intellect.
Because are but one aspect of the all, therefore any image we have of the whole is a metaphor. I believe at it's highest level, the teaching of Jesus of indistinguishable from atheism. I don't think it's necessary to imitate Jesus and his ideas which reflected the cultural forms of the time. That's an intellectual exercise, not a spiritual one. It's easier for most people to relate to the personification of God as a father since we descended from social apes, but I don't think it's necessary.
It's a fine start, but such revelations can happen any number of ways. In the end only you can change you. I think Jesus' teaching is far from clear, and I'm most inspired by Buddhism, Taoism, and certain contemporary philosophers and poets. I realize he said no one comes to the father but through me. I take that to mean that there is a commonality to this realization, the traditions may differ in certain details, but they all involve transcending local culture, suspension of sensual distractions, calming the mind by focusing on a phrase or image, cultivation of kindness, and a basic optimism about existence.
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Some people are laughing to your statement.
If The Bible is not true we will Not be so interested in, Especially Skeptics! Could you imagine their faces on a day of the truth? The biggest names in the world will vanish. People who are now something will be nothing. Crazy people like ''me, you'' who believe, will be super smart and others super stupid. A chaos, I believe this is a Apocalypse. Nobody will believe who we really are. A Chaos - Apocalypse.
The easiest way to know if there is God is our solar system, it is perfectly made! But if you believe in this one, you are a kid who needs toys.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/392956/evolution/
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M*W: What a liar you are! You don't answer anyone's questions. You don't even make truthful statements. Why are you here? There have been absolutely NO archeological finds that confirm the bible. When are you people going to realize that? You contradict yourself.
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M*W: Fancy computer graphics the truth does not make. When people start vanishing from this planet (let's just say, hypothetically, all the christians), do you honestly think the rest of us would want to go where they're going? Shit, we'll be so glad to get rid of them! Then there would be total peace on earth, and goodwill to the atheists!
Just out of curiosity, who are you really? And why are you here in the first place? If heaven is where you belong, by all means, go there... now, and hurry up, please.
A) It's all about perspective.. Where you see a hole in the ground as having been created specifically for the puddle, most rational people will understand that the puddle merely adapts to the environment.
B) Never use the word 'perfect', it falls apart too easily
C) Even if the universe was designed you would have no place with which to make assumptions concerning the creator. For all you would know the universe could have been farted into existence by an omnipotent banjo playing leprechaun.
D) How much do you personally know about the solar system? I'm curious whether you have any actual knowledge or whether you're just accepting everything said on that link for the mere sake of it.
Well, I tell you, if I have been wrong in my disbelief, when I die I'll walk up to god in a manly way and say; Sir, I made an honest mistake. -- H. L. Mencken
This doesn't really contradict anything I'm saying....plus what do you mean by brainwash? Have you been brainwashed to learn english, science, etc...?
No it wouldn't I know lots of people are raised atheists, they are conditioned be atheists, religious doctrination has nothing to do with being unconditioned. But if you want to be technical then it would mean free from all conditioning, even atheism (which is the disbelief in God's existence).mustafhakofi said:
It doesn't matter if its a doctrination or not, conditioning is conditioning, atheism is the disbelief in God(s) or Goddesses. Again, atheism and theism have little to do with being unconditioned.....mustafhakofi said:
Religion is all about achieving the highest degree of happiness, well at least Eastern religions, though Jesus seems more Eastern oriented than Mohommad and Moses...mustafhakofi said:
Well in a way yes, and in a way no. You would have to eliminate all the past memories causing you unhappiness (unconsciously), to do this you would have to destroy all insecurities (which stem from past memories), so you can just use an exercise like reframing, which is reframing a memory into the way you desire then telling your unconscious to handle it in that way from now on. The experience would in a way be gone, gone forever, though it only existed as a memory.
Then once you finally achieve the highest perfection you will finally enjoy every instant, you would not be able to become fearful, angry, sorrowful, etc...because the impulses causing those would be gone.