charles cure said:
i think that the point im getting across here is that whether a majority of jews in israel are zionists or not, as an ideological force, it has a relatively dominant role in forming their country's foreign policy. you cant downplay its influence by sayin oh well, the majority of israelis arent zionists so that makes it harmless.
Well i have never said that the effects of Zionisim is not harmless. And of course the influence of Zionists far outweigh their actual numbers in proportion to the population. But it is always the way of the world that the people who are most passionate about their beliefs and causes lead those who are apathetic.
the conservative zionist elements in their government give power to the ideas whether the people agree with them 100% or not, and in addition to that, you dont see a lot of israeli jews out on the street protesting the awful things their government does.
Well they see the awful things that their radicalized islamic enemies do so they tend to see the actions of their own government as necessary while at the same time many are uneasy i their conscience about it.
youd think if most of them werent zionists and thought there was something wrong with it, there would be some national debate on the issue, or maybe some people protesting something other than being kicked out of the homes they built on palestinian soil.
Well there is a big protest movement in isreal for the peace process and the founding of a Palestinian state also there are a lot of Israelis who are refusing to do military service. So a protest movement does exist. But this movement is always undermined by the next bus bomb or the next speech by the Iranian president.
the reason this bothers me is because my country (the US) has, for some reason, a policy that requires unwavering support of israel and their expansionist, racist goals.
Well your government is controlled by a group of people who seek to pave the way for the coming of the anti-christ. They seek to support isreal (not because they love the Jews, because they hate the Jews) to bring about the re-building of the temple, A temple necessary for their deceivers goal. Isreal has been re-gathered to be fooled. Isreal in the end is not so much the refuge of the Jews but the final concentration camp. So there is a conspiracy but it is not for the benefit of the Jews but for their eventual extermination.
if it were not for our foolish backing of israel, i doubt there would have been a 9/11 or a global war on terrorism.
Maybe Isreal brought forward 9/11 in time. But it has always been the objective of Islam to bring the whole world under the control of islam through jihad, So 9/11 or something similar was inevitable, irrespective of what happens to isreal the drive for global conquest by true islamists comes from the korans call for them to fight until all the infidels acknowledge allah as God.
the truth is that the israelis deserve a lot of what they get from the palestinian "terrorists", because they have been engaged in a protracted war with them for the last 30 years. the only reason it isnt called a war is because the western powers seeking to legitimize the existence of israel after they created it wont give creedence to any claim that they stole land from other people. they allow israel to occupy palestine and degrade their people to some type of second class citizen status, and when those people rise up and attempt to take back some semblance of their autonomy, they call it terrorism instead of rebellion, insurgency, revolution, or any of the other words with positive or neutral connotations that could be used to describe the palestinian uprising. the truth of the whole situation is that if palestinians are terrorists, the the israelis are just terrorists with more money and a bigger army, and zionism is a root cause of the entire situation.
Well whatever one calls people in the end people are killing other people and people will continue to kill other people because hard-liners on both sides cannot accept any negotiated compromise. They’ll continue to fight and undermine any reconciliation until they have achieved their goal. For one side that is the establishment of Zion and for the other it is driving all Israelis back into the sea. A two-state solution is an abomination to both sides.
They will continue to fight and terrorism will grow world wide until the world under the command of the anti-christ destroys the islamic nations.
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