What is time??

Would someone be willing to start a thread on "time" in the new Alternative Theories forum. Seems no one has an alternative theory to spacetime and yet there is a lot of grousing about what time is and isn't.
Time is not a grouse!
It's more like a ptarmigan.
 
so you can't explain how dimensions came before the object

There is no how involved. They came before the object because they are an inherent feature of space/time. They are the substrate on which objects exist.
 
. . .Sometime ago on Sciforums, I posted an out-of-the-box visualization of the "projection" technique, in which one can start with a higher-level dimensional system (e.g., xyz - 3-D, plus time). Using this technique, one can'project' sequentially from higher levels to lower levels . . . . projecting 'through' the time aspect, one 'sees' the
3-D (frozen in time) framework . . . then projecting thru one of the 3-D aspects (say, z), one sees the 2-D framework (i.e., 'flatland (planar) configuration'), xy (frozen in time AND z), then one projects along one of the remaining two (x or y) dimensional aspects (say, line y), and the resultant is a 1-D configuration (e.g., a point x, frozen in time, z, and y). My original challenge was to run the process 'backwards' and try to create a visualization of the 'next-higher' dimensional aspect (above xyz+time). . . . there were no 'takers'!
 
yet you think your theory is right ? ”

It's not a theory. Those dimensions are a fundamental to our universe.
If you wish to claim differently then, please answer the following questions:
What is the substance of length?
If there were only two dimensions and you made a square HOW could you extend it into a cube?
Or do you somehow think that if you could construct a 21D object (how would you go about it? Which ways would it extend?) you would automatically bring about the creation of 18 other spacial dimensions?

the substance of length cannot be discussed without the other two dimensions which are depth and breadth

because all three are a physical aspect of any object

and also of space

space is also three dimensional

length , depth and breadth
 
. . .Sometime ago on Sciforums, I posted an out-of-the-box visualization of the "projection" technique, in which one can start with a higher-level dimensional system (e.g., xyz - 3-D, plus time). Using this technique, one can'project' sequentially from higher levels to lower levels . . . . projecting 'through' the time aspect, one 'sees' the
3-D (frozen in time) framework . . . then projecting thru one of the 3-D aspects (say, z), one sees the 2-D framework (i.e., 'flatland (planar) configuration'), xy (frozen in time AND z), then one projects along one of the remaining two (x or y) dimensional aspects (say, line y), and the resultant is a 1-D configuration (e.g., a point x, frozen in time, z, and y). My original challenge was to run the process 'backwards' and try to create a visualization of the 'next-higher' dimensional aspect (above xyz+time). . . . there were no 'takers'!

what are you trying to show ?
 
the substance of length cannot be discussed without the other two dimensions which are depth and breadth
Why not?
Okay, what is the substance of length, depth and breadth?

because all three are a physical aspect of any object
and also of space
space is also three dimensional
length , depth and breadth
And time...


I'll take this as another avoidance.
 
the substance of length cannot be discussed without the other two dimensions which are depth and breadth

because all three are a physical aspect of any object

and also of space

space is also three dimensional

length , depth and breadth

Well, in point of fact, if string theory is correct, there are actually 11 dimensions, but the others are too small to detect.

While length, depth and breadth are physical aspects of an object, the object could not exist without the space/time to exist in, whereas space/time does not need the object to exist.
 
“ Originally Posted by river
the substance of length cannot be discussed without the other two dimensions which are depth and breadth

because all three are a physical aspect of any object

and also of space

space is also three dimensional

length , depth and breadth ”

Well, in point of fact, if string theory is correct, there are actually 11 dimensions, but the others are too small to detect.

While length, depth and breadth are physical aspects of an object, the object could not exist without the space/time to exist in, whereas space/time does not need the object to exist.

the string theory is based on vibrations by objects , the strings themselves
 
because an object cannot exist without length
So what?
This does not address your contention that
the substance of length cannot be discussed without the other two dimensions which are depth and breadth

an object
from the plasma to the quantum to the atom to the macro
Pardon?
Is that not the material of the object itself?
How is this the "substance of length"?
 
because an object cannot exist without length



an object

from the plasma to the quantum to the atom to the macro

You're pretty dogmatic about that, but again, if string theory is correct, than the basic element of space/time is a one dimensional object. So something can't exist without length, but the same might not be true of width and breadth.
 
Time is not a grouse!
It's more like a ptarmigan.
Maybe in Europe but not Florida. I visited the Dali Museum today. Do you know what Dali's theory of time is? Did you ever see his melting clocks? He saw time as a strange flow :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persistence_of_Memory

And my favorite:

http://www.aaronartprints.org/dali-softwatchatthemomentoffirstexplosion.php
4172.jpg


And an index to Dali Dimension seems appropriate.
http://www.dalidimension.com/eng/index.html
 
“ Originally Posted by river
because an object cannot exist without length ”

So what?
This does not address your contention that

“ the substance of length cannot be discussed without the other two dimensions which are depth and breadth

it does think about it

think of any object and take away its length

what happens to this object , three dimensionaly ?
 
the string theory is based on vibrations by objects , the strings themselves

Yes, and the strings are one dimensional. And they cannot vibrate unless there is a direction they can move in. The dimensions are not dependent on the strings, they are a condition of the universe in which the strings exist and vibrate.
 
it does think about it
Empty claim.

think of any object and take away its length
what happens to this object , three dimensionaly ?
It becomes 2D.
So what?

Again:
What is the substance of length?
If there were only two dimensions and you made a square HOW could you extend it into a cube?
Or do you somehow think that if you could construct a 21D object (how would you go about it? Which ways would it extend?) you would automatically bring about the creation of 18 other spacial dimensions?
 
“ Originally Posted by river
because an object cannot exist without length



an object

from the plasma to the quantum to the atom to the macro ”

You're pretty dogmatic about that, but again, if string theory is correct, than the basic element of space/time is a one dimensional object. So something can't exist without length, but the same might not be true of width and breadth.

how does something vibrate without depth and breadth ?
 
how does something vibrate without depth and breadth ?

A one dimensional object may move in any direction. It may move along the x, y, or z axis. A violin string is essentially one dimensional but flexes in all three dimensions.
 
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