What is the endgame in Gaza?
- Thread starter S.A.M.
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Obama would actually do it.
You probably saw my response to SAM on that same article. It shows who killed first during a lull. Not who attacked first; however, the authors source does show that (and it's not Israel).
That's ok. They are actually investing in their society and genuinely care for their people. That's why they are supported by the international community.
Whats really happening in the West Bank but your MSM won't show you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tHaIVogrtI
source:http://mondoweiss.net/2010/01/this-is-our-village-a-report-from-nabi-saleh.html
That excerpt estimates which portions of Israel in 1949 - i.e., after the first Arab Israeli War - correspond to lands titled to Arabs under the British Mandate, for which the titled owners have left the country.
Prior to that war, the situation was different.
The Arab Israeli war was not between Palestinians and Israelis. And was not on the land which was the state of Israel after 1948
The Arab army was scrupulous about staying on the side of the border designated by the mandate as Palestine
What you showed doesn't conflict with anything I stated. Yes, Israel is annexing land from the West bank and the international community disagrees with it. If they don't stop and reverse course on that then they will loose international support (which they can't afford to do).
No I wanted you to notice that the PA was not there, caring about the people or investing in their future [the rapacious settlers protected by the IOF, have been uprooting the trees and taking the land without any defensive action by the PA]. This happens EVERYDAY in the West Bank as it has for the last 60 years in Palestine and "the world" ignores it.
The PA are playing the role of the Jewish kapos in Warsaw. And since Hamas won the election, they are an illegitimate puppet government.
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Well, not solely between Palestinians and Israelis, but both of those groups were parties to the war. Didn't I just mention this?
Yes it was.
That only addresses where the Arab armies were, not where "the war" was.
And, by the way, the Mandate designated the entire area as "Palestine." It wasn't until after the Mandate was dissolved that there was any "border" "designated" by anyone.
Evidence?
No reason to believe that, if you're a Palestinian.crunchy said:
It shows Hamas keeping a truce by not rocketing, and Israel or Fatah or the PLJ breaking it. It shows Israeli aggression - blockade and so forth - during a rocket truce. In combination with the rest of the history, it shows that merely agreeing to not rocket, and then not rocketing, has never prevented Israeli aggression in the past.crunchy said:
The benevolence of the Israelis, choosing a government for the Palestinians and removing its elected rivals by force, is surely to be praised.crunchy said:
Indeed. Perhaps the Israelis are even mystified why the Palestinians just don't accept that they are born to be slapped around
What fun it must be to live a life of checkpoints and dehumanisation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6t57BbqhC0
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The PA is protecting its people by not challenging the IDF (they don't have a means to do so that wont destroy themselves). Most of Israels expansion in the last 60 years was land taken when defending themselves from agression. "The world" doesn't have a problem with that. What is a problem are the current west bank annexes. They are acts of aggression.
Hows that working out for them?
They can believe what they want.
Did you miss the part about Hamas' attempting bombings and kidnappings that resulted in them being "killed first"?
I really think you should look at who takes the first aggressive action after any truce. Not firing a rocket but attempting to bomb / kidnap is not exactly a truce.
The international community agrees for some reason... probably because Hamas was a really really bad choice. As I stated before, democracy promotes a fair process... not good decisions.
They are getting international funding, the international community may cut Israel off for funding if they don't reverse course, and the international community may also force Israel to pull back and keep them back.
I think Hamas has made Gazan's without missiles more valuable than Gazans without necessities.
Really? You see international funds being cut off for Israel? Who is even talking about that anywhere? Meanwhile, what you saw in the video is a daily occurrence and nonviolent activists are being cracked down by the military
If this was Iran it would be the ONLY news in the US.
All this just from the last month. And what do you get in response? Trolls spouting from the hasbara booklet.
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But you say they have to believe your bs, take your word for Obama's future behavior, or it's their fault own the Israelis abuse them.crunchy said:
When do Israel's unforced brutalities become Israel's fault?
Nope. Ipaid more attention to the part where after five months of no rockets from Hamas Israel was still blockading and taking land and building walls and stuff.crunchy said:
You do know that a blockade is an act of war, right?
To whom?crunchy said:
I have yet to find a truce begun, on the Israeli side.crunchy said:
There is no such thing as "the international community". Name names.crunchy said:
Obama.
Correct. It will continue for a while.
Of course, Iran is far more important than Israel or Fatah.
None of that matters now does it?