I think a lot about death and narrowed it down to two things: either total non-existence or you go to another "dimension". Those are the only two possibilities and they're total opposites so it doesn't provide much comfort but Cris's views seem pretty on point. The main thing I can't figure out if death is total non-existence is then why are we here at all, meaning it would be easier for us to never exist at all. I guess the best way to look at it would to expect total non-existence and if there's more then COOL! If not you won't care anyway because you will have no conciousness. Hey life doesn't seem that bad when you look at it like that!
What is after death for you?
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After death you cease to exist. Deal with it or delude yourself with fantasies. I prefer to deal with it honestly.
Of course, this hasn't been proven but anyone with half a brain would admit that the possibility of your life continuing after death is extremely remote. If it happens to be so then great thats cool, but don't count on it.
Of course, this hasn't been proven but anyone with half a brain would admit that the possibility of your life continuing after death is extremely remote. If it happens to be so then great thats cool, but don't count on it.
How so? Please expound. Also, you never told us your opinion of what is after death...come on don't keep it a secret!
Please allow me to answer it, if you don't mind.
History of the Quran
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In this Book, the Holy Prophet's life, the history of the Arabs and the events which occurred during the period of the revelation of the Quran have not been mingled with the Divine Verses, as is the case with the Bible. The Quran is the pure word of God. Not one word therein is not divine. Not a single word has been deleted from its text. The Book has been handed down to our age in its complete and original form since the time of Prophet Muhammad. From the time the Book began to be revealed, the Holy Prophet had dictated its text to the scribes. Whenever some Divine Message was revealed, the Holy Prophet would call a scribe and dictate its words to him. The written text was then read out to the Holy Prophet, who, having satisfied himself that the scribe has committed no error of recording, would put the manuscript in safe custody. The Holy Prophet used to instruct the scribe about the sequence in which a revealed message was to be placed in a particular Surah (chapter). In this manner, the Holy Prophet continued to arrange the text of the Quran in systematic order till the end of the chain of revelations. Again, it was ordained from the beginning of Islam that a recitation of the Holy Quran must be an integral part of worship. Hence the illustrious Companions would commit the Divine verses to memory as soon as they were revealed. Many of them learned the whole text and a far larger number had memorized different portions of it.
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Method of preservations of the Quran during the Prophet's time
Besides, those of the Companions (pbut) who were literate used to keep a written record of several portions of the Holy Qur'an. In this manner, the text of the Holy Qur'an had been preserved in four different ways during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (PBUH):
a) The Holy Prophet (PBUH) had the whole text of the Divine Messages from the beginning to the end committed to writing by the scribes of revelations.
b) Many of the Companions learned the whole text of the Qur'an, every syllable of it, by heart.
c) All the illustrious Companions, without an exception, had memorized at least some portions of the Holy Qur'an, for the simple reason that it was obligatory for them to recite it during worship. An estimate of the number of the illustrious Companions may be obtained from the fact that one hundred and forty thousands Companions had participated in the Last Pilgrimage performed by the Holy Prophet (PBUH).
d) A considerable number of the literate Companions kept a private record of the text of the Qur'an and satisfied themselves as to the purity of their record by reading it out to the Holy Prophet (PBUH).
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Method of preservations of the Quran after the demise of the Prophet
It is an incontrovertible historical truth that the text of the Holy Qur'an extant today is, syllable for syllable, exactly the same as the Holy Prophet (PBUH) had offered to the world as the Word of God. After the demise of the Holy Prophet, the first Caliph Hadhrat Abu Bakr (PBUH) assembled all the Huffaz and the written records of the Holy Qur'an and with their help had the whole text written in Book form. In the time of Hadhrat 'Uthman (PBUH) copies of this original version were made and officially dispatched to the Capitals of the Islamic World. Two Of these copies exist in the world today, one in Istanbul and the other in Tashkent. Whosoever is so inclined may compare any printed text of the Holy Qur'an with those two copies, he shall find no variation. And how can one expect any discrepancy, when there have existed several million Huffaz in every generation since the time of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and in our own time? Should anyone alter a syllable of the original text of the Qur'an, these Huffaz would at once expose the mistake. In the last century, an Institute of Munich University in Germany collected FORTY-TWO THOUSAND copies of the Holy Qur'an including manuscripts and printed texts produced in each period in the various parts of the Islamic World. Research work was carried out on these texts for half a century, at the end of which the researchers concluded that apart from copying mistakes, there was no discrepancy in the text of these forty-two thousand copies, even though they belonged to the period between the 1st Century Hijra to 14th Century Hijra and had been procured from all parts of the world. This Institute, alas! perished in the bombing attacks on Germany during World War II, but the findings of its research project survived. Another point that must be kept in view is that the word in which the Qur'an was revealed is a living language in our own time. It is still current as the mother tongue of about a hundred million people from Iraq to Morocco. In the non-Arab world too, hundreds of thousands of people study and teach this language.
The grammar of the Arabic language, its lexicon, its phonetic system and its phraseology, have remained intact for fourteen hundred years.
A modern Arabic-speaking person can comprehend the Holy Qur'an with as much proficiency as did the Arabs of fourteen centuries ago. This, then, is an important attribute of Muhammad (PBUH), which is shared by no other Prophet or Leader of Religion. The Book which God revealed to Him for the guidance of mankind is today's in its original language without the slightest alteration in its vocabulary.
I hope that answered your question.
fading
i thought i aready did (expound that is). anyway....
After death you cease to exist. Deal with it or delude yourself with fantasies. I prefer to deal with it honestly.
this is where you stand. you assert with absolutely no ambiguity that after death there is zilch, nada, zero, nothing, nought. then you go on to....
Of course, this hasn't been proven but anyone with half a brain would admit that the possibility of your life continuing after death is extremely remote. If it happens to be so then great thats cool, but don't count on it.
....entertain the possibility of something surviving after death
yes?? no?? maybe??
i thought i aready did (expound that is). anyway....
After death you cease to exist. Deal with it or delude yourself with fantasies. I prefer to deal with it honestly.
this is where you stand. you assert with absolutely no ambiguity that after death there is zilch, nada, zero, nothing, nought. then you go on to....
Of course, this hasn't been proven but anyone with half a brain would admit that the possibility of your life continuing after death is extremely remote. If it happens to be so then great thats cool, but don't count on it.
....entertain the possibility of something surviving after death
yes?? no?? maybe??
Markx,
Very interesting. Thank you for the explanation.
I don't know much about the Quran, but it seems to me that it was also written by man.
This confuses me even more. Man wrote the Bible, the Torah, and the Quran. All claim to be the word of God, or Allah...yet were written by men.
Is it possible that there is more than one god?
How can we be sure of who is the real prophet, preaching the word of God?
Very interesting. Thank you for the explanation.
I don't know much about the Quran, but it seems to me that it was also written by man.
This confuses me even more. Man wrote the Bible, the Torah, and the Quran. All claim to be the word of God, or Allah...yet were written by men.
Is it possible that there is more than one god?
How can we be sure of who is the real prophet, preaching the word of God?
For some reason, people here at sciforums tend to think that everything has to be an absolute.
However, this does not mean that I am so close-minded that I deny the possibility I am wrong.
I have this same problem when I talk about my atheism. People get all worked up and tell me I am agnostic when I say there is a possibility I am wrong and there is a god. I dont get it...
Its pretty simple. I believe that there is nothing for me after death. I am firm in that belief.
However, this does not mean that I am so close-minded that I deny the possibility I am wrong.
I have this same problem when I talk about my atheism. People get all worked up and tell me I am agnostic when I say there is a possibility I am wrong and there is a god. I dont get it...
I am glad you asked. I am sure that God didn't write anything from his own hands ( I don't consider God as you and me or human like), I guess you are talking about a written book sent down from the sky or if Angel would carry that book on their wings or something like that. Even if that would have happened no one would have believed it. People would still raise objections. It is our nature. In other words, to answer to your question, Yes! they were all written by men. Now it is up to you to decide which is real word of God. Quran is the only book, which is in its complete form. Also it recognize other scriptures before it i.e Bible and Torah also mentioned the changes and distortions in them as well, which we all know today. from science to common things every thing is in there, but in very intresting manner. When I used to read Bible, it was like a story book with lots of spices and even some times with serious sexual contents but Quran is different. Something that I recommend you to read if you get time not just one or two chapters but read from start to atleast quarter way and then you will notice what I am trying to say. Quran mentioned that there is only one "God" It is the same God as the God of Abrham, who was a very known man back in Arab before the torah or bible. It is a book of guidence and book of warning. Again something I recommend you to read.
Jesus, and Moses were also the true prophets and their scriptures did prophecised the coming of last porphet "Mohammed" they were given instrcutions for their people and commandmends but the Quran is something that completes the teching of religion and teachings of life. This world or the other. I will give you more detailed historic accounts of different religions and with proper references if you are interested.
first verse of Quran Revealed to Prophet was,
"Iqra bismi rabbikalla dhi khalaq. Khalaqal insana min alaq. Iqra wa rabtukal alrram. Alladhi 'allama bil qalam. 'Allamal insana malam ya’lam,"
" which means " Read in the name of your Lord who created, created man from a clot. Read, for your Lord is most Generous, Who teaches by means of the pen, teaches man what he does not know." (96: 1-5)
Exactly the same thing what Jesus prophecised in Bible. ( I will post refernce in a bit )
"Iqra bismi rabbikalla dhi khalaq. Khalaqal insana min alaq. Iqra wa rabtukal alrram. Alladhi 'allama bil qalam. 'Allamal insana malam ya’lam,"
" which means " Read in the name of your Lord who created, created man from a clot. Read, for your Lord is most Generous, Who teaches by means of the pen, teaches man what he does not know." (96: 1-5)
Exactly the same thing what Jesus prophecised in Bible. ( I will post refernce in a bit )