what if God could be proven?
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WillNever
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SAM. 786 seems to not want to fully divulge his reasons for believing in his god-myth.
Would you like to state yours? Can you tell us where you were first exposed to your god-myth (islam?). Did you come up with that god-myth yourself? Have you had a vision of your god-myth at any point in your life? How come you believe in your god-myth but not in leprechauns and faeries..? Is it because such other god-myths aren't culturally Indian..?
Is your culture a good basis for accepting a god-myth into your reality?
Would you like to state yours? Can you tell us where you were first exposed to your god-myth (islam?). Did you come up with that god-myth yourself? Have you had a vision of your god-myth at any point in your life? How come you believe in your god-myth but not in leprechauns and faeries..? Is it because such other god-myths aren't culturally Indian..?
Is your culture a good basis for accepting a god-myth into your reality?
No, I've never seen/heard God- I'm not someone who claims god spoke to me.
Universe has meaning because I say it does.... Also its not about 'meaning for me' but meaning for the universe.
Are you the first ever atheist? Did you come up with that idea?
There is no 'disregarding science', that is the problem.... You don't even know what science says- you extrapolate from it the worldview based on a equally unprovable concept of 'randomness' (read God of Science thread).
then why don't you believe in leprechauns and fairies too? How do you know they didn't create the world? The mythology behind those god-myths would be as equally "logical."
They can be logical until you dismiss them eventually... I'm not going to go through every single 'logical' choice to satisfy your question....
Peace be unto you
WillNever
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So... if you have no demonstrable reason for believing in the existence of your god-myth... why do you? It doesn't make sense to believe in one and not another... especially when all the major ones (christianity, islam, judaism) are derived from the same ancient Sumerian myth.
But that runs counter to what you said earlier. Earlier, you were suggesting that the universe has meaning and attributed that to your god-myth.
An atheist in what sense? Who said I believe there are no gods? I simply haven't accepted any existing god-myth into my sense of reality. The two aren't the same thing.
Such ramblings don't make sense, 786.
They can be logical until you dismiss them eventually... I'm not going to go through every single 'logical' choice to satisfy your question....
Peace be unto you
Correction: they can be logical for as long as you make up a logical story behind them. Essentially, that is what humans have done for EVERY god-myth we have in the world. Some have made up more logical stories than others, however. Islam definitely is one of the less logical ones, though.
You need to understand what 'reason' means-- that is why I was pointing at the stupidity of the context of your question to begin with.
If it has meaning then there must be someone who made it with meaning, hence God. I believe the universe has meaning the direct result is that there must be a God.
Well then that is your choice...
Its called denial
Correction: they can be logical for as long as you make up a logical story behind them. Essentially, that is what humans have done for EVERY god-myth we have in the world. Some have made up more logical stories than others, however. Islam definitely is one of the less logical ones, though.
Knowing that you don't know what reason is I have nothing to expect from your 'logic'
Peace be unto you
WillNever
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I think you don't know the meaning of the word, 786.
Why is a god-myth the result of you happening to believe in a vague sense of meaning in the universe?
Its called denial
That thread is about your denial? I know.
Knowing that you don't know what reason is I have nothing to expect from your 'logic'
Peace be unto you
You haven't stated a reason yet, though.
MW:
reason: "a rational ground or motive"
This is the definition I am going by.
reason: "a rational ground or motive"
This is the definition I am going by.
That is a cyclic definition, as is your screwed up logic.
reason requires rationale- rationale requires reason. You can have fun with your cyclical reasoning.
Peace be unto you
Why is it a faith based theist like yourself who hasn't a clue comes to a science forum telling everyone they don't know what 'reason and logic' is about, yet you've been unable to formulate one iota of reason and logic.
Every so-called reason you come up with is always, "God did it"
And, there you go again saying, "God did it" with not an ounce of reason or logic in your statement. No alternatives, no discussion, no thought process, just one faith based statement of absolution.
All logic, all reasoning and all thought process completely non-existent. Faith based delusion is all you know and all you ever offer.
WillNever
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That is a cyclic definition, as is your screwed up logic.
reason requires rationale- rationale requires reason. You can have fun with your cyclical reasoning.
Peace be unto you
Nay 786, that's the dictionary definition for it, according to my pocket webster here. You not liking that definition doesn't change that.
Nay 786, that's the dictionary definition for it, according to my pocket webster here. You not liking that definition doesn't change that.
I'm perfectly fine with it, except that it will be circular- I don't care if you want to see that.
Peace be unto you
seems to me that it would make no difference at all. god or no god, the people would still be the same old people.
*imagines Q in the corner with his eyes shut and his hands over his ears going "la, la, la, la" real loud*
You have no proof whatsoever that there is no God ( creator ) .I'm not asking about scientific. I'm asking about logical. If something isn't logical, then it doesn't make sense. If it doesn't make sense, then it isn't true.
So my question to you was, why do you believe in a god-myth? What is compelling you to devote yourself to such beliefs? Are you merely a product of the way you were raised? Or do you find illogic to be more comforting than logic?
Where is your proof ?!.