what if God could be proven?
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That's a misconception. If natural things were manipulated with no apparent cause, that violated natural laws. If there was a cause, then there was no supernatural intervention.
But the cause would have to be shown as natural.
If there is a closed system with internal net 0 force- this is natural. And suddenly the force became 10. The change was due to something 'external' (supernatural) but the change is observed in the closed system (natural).
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Precisely, that is why the only evidence you examine is natural not supernatural. Your definition doesn't differentiate between supernatural cause vs supernatural effect.
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We can make a test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzq5X-p2C0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzq5X-p2C0Y
But the cause would have to be shown as natural.
If there is a closed system with internal net 0 force- this is natural. And suddenly the force became 10. The change was due to something 'external' (supernatural) but the change is observed in the closed system (natural).
Peace be unto you
If we suddenly observe such a change with no apparent cause, then that would support a super or extranatural force (assuming all other options have been ruled out). Nothing of the sort appears to occur. Ever.
the thing i dont get to all of you religious folk is this.. if you can "if you do" believe in a higher power where there is no hard proof at all of "besides your own faith/belief" if you do believe in that how can you not believe in other life? aliens? ufos?
the thing is there is more hard evidence about ufos than god, like it or not almost every goverment in the world including our own have classified and unclassified documents of "ufos" and not one thing of god.. you can debate all day and ufo in lamens terms is unidentified flying object.. aka something in the air that you cant identify
the thing is there is more hard evidence about ufos than god, like it or not almost every goverment in the world including our own have classified and unclassified documents of "ufos" and not one thing of god.. you can debate all day and ufo in lamens terms is unidentified flying object.. aka something in the air that you cant identify
An excellent example of this assumption can be made with the tsunami that swept a quarter million god fearing theists to their deaths. Was it supernatural or natural? We observed a natural change occurring within the system, but according to 786 logic, it was a supernatural event.
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Water be over you.
We have never been able to observe the complete forces of our system (universe)- or at least measure them all at any given time to notice the changes that are occurring. Because if the changes were in some proportion then everything would seem 'normal'- even though there may be change-
Its interesting subject to think about though but I don't think its going to be observed.
I think if the universe is a closed system, the net force would have to equal 0 at all times, then one has to ask what led to the big bang to give it initial force to create everything? Either the origin of the universe is from a supernatural force (extranatural) or the universe is eternal- in which case Big Bang wouldn't work.
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the thing i dont get to all of you religious folk is this.. if you can "if you do" believe in a higher power where there is no hard proof at all of "besides your own faith/belief" if you do believe in that how can you not believe in other life? aliens? ufos?
the thing is there is more hard evidence about ufos than god, like it or not almost every goverment in the world including our own have classified and unclassified documents of "ufos" and not one thing of god.. you can debate all day and ufo in lamens terms is unidentified flying object.. aka something in the air that you cant identify
I don't have problems accepting that ufos or aliens exist... their existence has nothing to do with whether supernatural being exists or not.
Peace be unto you
Are you suggesting that we believe something that can never be observed? I have an invisible unicorn to sell you. Please see your PM.786 said:
First thing is, the Big Bang happened. Could it happen and still maintain a net zero energy? Why not? It needed no force since the total energy is still the same!
have we measured all of them at various points in time to determine the changes?
They are trying to find what particles were involved, not how the net force of the system changed.
No, it has nothing to do with faith. Its simply thinking about how the forces have the cause and effect relationship, and how the net force would be conserved in a closed system.
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