what if God could be proven?
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I am still waiting for materialism to solve the problem of birth, death, old age and disease and suffering in the form of one's own body and mind, the body and minds of other living entities and the experience of excesses of climate and environment (heat, earthquakes, bush fires etc)
It already has. Science has virtually eliminated all sorts of diseases, there are now treatments for mental illness, and we have air conditioning.
Tryagain.
Not 17.5 hours:
Still on a ventilator at this time...
Not declared dead at 6 and then...
So let's see: still on a ventilator and alive at 3, family left 6 expecting to be told she was dead any time and called back 6:30 to be told she was alive. I make that half an hour, max - if you discount the fact that she was being kept alive any way by the ventilator and whatever other machines she was hooked up to.
Rigor mortis?
Did you invent that?
http://rahabsplace.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/this-is-one-of-the-resurrections/
The closest I can find to 17.5 hours (in an admittedly now cursory look: the above was the first one I found and doesn't support your version) states:
Two heart attacks. And someone thought she was dead while having heart attacks?
The rigor mortis?
Oh yeah:
Her son: not a medical expert (and bear in mind that she had been cooled down considerably).
http://timeinmoments.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/val-thomas-is-a-medical-miracle/
Fail again...
I'm not sure what fancy bit of info you are citing to suggest that disease has been virtually eliminated ... since disease virtually eliminates everyone
(cough)
and their effectiveness is something else entirely ...
aha
just the solution for the climate change problem, eh?
It's a much better track record than religion has. No one gets polio anymore, many common diseases are now treatable, and life expectancy has soared in all developed countries. We now know our real place in the cosmology of local galaxies, we know something of the nature of the universe, it's age and approximate size, we know what elements are, and atoms, and can harness the power of the atom for good or ill. I could go on, but the benefits of rational scientific investigation hardly need repeating.
I can understand why you're waiting for the solving of material problems by real people. Prayer or spiritualism isn't going to solve the problems you mentioned that the living experience.
Hardly
The idea is that these issues are indemnic to material existence so the notion of ever nutting out a solution to them (in the material world) is useless.
yet despite it all, disease remains a constant
wtf?
so where is the universe?
yet for some reason, harnessing the atom can not move us one inch on our sojourn to death via old age and disease on the road of three fold sufferings (sufferings caused by ourselves, others and the environment)
actually you can't go on and on about it since its the nature of a metonymic world view that it is curbed at one point at the macrocosm and at the other at the microcosm
Most of those things except disease aren't real problems, and praying never cured anyone of cancer.
sure it does, since it grants an entire medium of existence that doesn't have suffering as a foundation ...
If you want to talk of waiting though, thats certainly what you will have on your hands if you expect a solution to be forthcoming in this "real" world.
That sounds nice... expect that it only exists as an idea in your head.
once again, don't know what planet you are on but birth is very much a problem, as is old age ... and if you can't picture death as a problem it must be because you can't see how your each and every action is aimed at avoiding it
:shrug:
well, thats what the idea in your head tells you ... so I just guess you gotta be right, huh?
My impending death could very well be a personal problem, but death in general is not only not a problem, but a very necessary aspect of life.
well, thats what the idea in your head tells you ... so I just guess you gotta be right, huh?
Yeah, I have the idea that things without evidence are merely ideas.
Plenty of the explanations given by religion have been debunked and shown to be lacking facts. Nothing orginates from the spiritual realm except nonsense. In the real world real problems are addressed by real people producing real results.
The only real problems on this planet are material, and the only solutions are equally material.
then you are also running with the idea that there is no evidence to back theistic claims (probably due to your idea that empiricism has a monopoly on all knowable claims)
Similarly plenty of explanations given by science have been debunked and shown to lack facts (IOW the core discipline of anything is subject to analysis)
On the contrary what is nonsense is to expect you to give an answer on the origin of anything with a discipline purely based in a metonymic world view.
and the obvious being that there is a big fat zero in terms of birth death old age and disease in the medium of the threefold sufferings ... The only thing you see arising from material solutions are more material problems.