What has to Happen to end Religion?

To end religion it would take the wholesale adoption of mallicious activities based on having no rightful conception of "mine" and "his" - in such an environment there could be no distinction between higher and lower and the very basis of religion would be lost

Frankly I am very surprised that people can still attribute war to religion, particularly after seeing a century of ideology with more civilian casualties than any other. Religion causes war? At least the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would disagree.
Even einstein said that he sure exactly what weapons the third world war would be fought with but he was sure that the fourth one would be fought with rocks and sticks - war will not cause the end of religion but on the bright side it might cause the end of stupidity that goes on in the name of science :)
 
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lightgigantic said:
To end religion it would take the wholesale adoption of mallicious activities based on having no rightful conception of "mine" and "his" - in such an environment there could be no distinction between higher and lower and the very basis of religion would be lost

Frankly I am very surprised that people can still attribute war to religion, particularly after seeing a century of ideology with more civilian casualties than any other. Religion causes war? At least the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would disagree.
Even einstein said that he sure exactly what weapons the third world war would be fought with but he was sure that the fourth one would be fought with rocks and sticks - war will not cause the end of religion but on the bright side it might cause the end of stupidity that goes on in the name of science :)
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Hooo boy. Can everyone say "polar extremes of fanaticism"?

Look, the real reasons for war are that human beings, when they fall in with a mob, are shits. Religion makes mobs. Nationalism makes mobs. Ideologies of most kinds make mobs.

Mass murder has been done in the name of honor, religion, political gain, racism, disputed soccor games, etc. But would someone please give me an example of a war fought in the name of science?

Light,

Your claim is absurd on the face of it. Science is just a way of knowing. Cripes! It is neutral. People use science to fight wars because of all of the afore mentioned. People use atomic bombs, guns, spears, and rocks if nothing else is available.

Frankly I am very surprised that people can still attribute war to religion,
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Ha! Come on! People attribute war to religion because so many religious wars have been fought! No one says that wars aren't fought for other reasons, but, sheesh! Religion is way up there as a motivator.
 
superluminal said:
Hooo boy. Can everyone say "polar extremes of fanaticism"?

Look, the real reasons for war are that human beings, when they fall in with a mob, are shits. Religion makes mobs. Nationalism makes mobs. Ideologies of most kinds make mobs.

Mass murder has been done in the name of honor, religion, political gain, racism, disputed soccor games, etc. But would someone please give me an example of a war fought in the name of science?

Light,

Your claim is absurd on the face of it. Science is just a way of knowing. Cripes! It is neutral. People use science to fight wars because of all of the afore mentioned. People use atomic bombs, guns, spears, and rocks if nothing else is available.


Ha! Come on! People attribute war to religion because so many religious wars have been fought! No one says that wars aren't fought for other reasons, but, sheesh! Religion is way up there as a motivator.
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Lol -okay i admit it was a bit tongue in cheek, but hey, with a thread title like this I just couldn't resist :p

To begin with I agree with what you say about mobs - but then mob consciousness can even be found in academic circles of science too - my point is actually that science, because it is considered bereft of values (which is based on an impersonal concept of the universe) creates a greater margin for error - for instance it is practically impossible to seperate science from its number one customer - the military (at least in terms of $$$ invested). Science is a way of knowing but more often than not it turns into a way of knowing how to kill people you don't like.

But to get back to this thread, I think better than people wracking their brains to create the means to destroy religion, they would be better off working at ways to introduce values into science since valueless science seems like more of a global threat than religion.
 
Adstar, etc,

Belief in God will never end in this world, Your dream is self delusion. Belief in God is not going away,
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The end of religion as we know it is inevitable, and likely within the next few decades. There will be the exceptional few nutters, but they will become marginalized and irrelevant.

The key to the end is knowledge and specifically the complete reverse engineering of the human brain.

Every religion has at its core the concept or variations of the concept of a spirit or soul. This notion of duality arose in ancient times from the complete ignorance concerning the existence and the functioning of the human brain. Once it can be shown unambiguously that every aspect of human nature is entirely the result of brain function then the soul concept will be finally and totally discredited.

The emergence of AI at around the same time where self –awareness and all would-be human mental and emotional functions are reproduced in a non-biological form, will further hammer-home the redundant and misguided idea of a soul.

What then of Gods? Who cares? Without souls the whole supernatural nonsense of an afterlife, reincarnation, heavens, hells, nirvana, umpteen virgins, and the whole crap load of similar religious gobbledygook is meaningless and leaves any would-be gods impotent without their weapons of fear punishment and reward gibberish.

Roll-on science – us atheists need do nothing but sit back and enjoy watching as knowledge replaces the ignorance of religious gibberish as has been happening these past few hundred years.
 
looking_forward said:
does taking religion more seriously involve strapping bombs to yourself? If all theists took their belief as seriously as the radical fundamentalist muslim suicide bombers or the radical christians who bomb abortion clinics, that sounds pretty much like the end of the world to me--every theist on the planet using all means necessary to enforce their opinion.
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Yes that is a part of the seriousness that misguided believers in God are expressing their stand for their beliefs. But the reality of this situation just proves the first post of this thread to be an expression of a delusion. That religion is just going to die.

i suppose the most powerful form of brain washing is self brain washing and the original poster in this thread just showed to all how deluded they really are.

And yes we are near to the end of the world as it is now. Soon the people of this world will bring themselves to the point of extinction. Only the intervention of God will bring to and end the way of this world as it is a present. Unfortunately most people are proud and need to be brought low to the point of destruction even to make them realise they are as not as smart as they delude themselves into thinking they are.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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Adstar,

Only the intervention of God will bring to and end the way of this world as it is a present.
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Nonsense, a fantasy can’t do anything like that. However, the belief that such a fantasy is true and a few atomics bombs in the hands of Islamic lunatics will very likely end the world as we know it.

Note that Islam was fractured into squabbling tribes and would have likely disintegrated had not the Christian barbarians brutally attacked them forcing them to unite in a way that would never have happened otherwise. The power of Islam today is totally due to the stupidity and brutality of Christian arrogance 1000 years ago.

And both these idiotic religions grew out of Judaism – the father of idiocy. Oh if only there was a god, someone who could save us from the lunacy of religion.

Unfortunately most people are proud and need to be brought low to the point of destruction even to make them realise they are as not as smart as they delude themselves into thinking they are.
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It is the theists who suffer from pride – with their arrogance that they think they are important enough to be singled out as favorites of an almighty supernatural creator. And you dare call others deluded?

The quicker we rid ourselves of religion the quicker we can generate a rational society of peace and tolerance.
 
Cris said:
The end of religion as we know it is inevitable, and likely within the next few decades.
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this was also said about the origins of life when the miller-urey experiment was conducted in '53. but alas it's been a lot more complicated than they imagined.
they are hardly any closer now than they were then.
 
KennyJC said:
Then how come a believer in Astrology would reply in the exact same way you did regarding religion? ... "Unfortunately it doesn't work that way"... Copout!
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It's not a copout at all. Sounds Sarkus wants to put God and a labratory and run a bunch of tests to prove his existense. I said that "it doesn't work that way" because yes, people have to connect to with God on a spiritual level, not a scientific one (which is why I was questioning having religious subforums on this site to begin with). That doesn't mean that God and science don't go hand in hand, but if you're truly looking to find God, you're searching in all the wrong places.
 
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What will have to happen to end religion?

You cant, God will not allow it. But you will try. Just as so many have tried in the past: The Romans, the Communists, The Nazis, the American left. Now soon you will try again, perhaps this time under the supervision of Antichrist himself.
 
Lawdog said:
You cant, God will not allow it. But you will try. Just as so many have tried in the past: The Romans, the Communists, The Nazis, the American left. Now soon you will try again, perhaps this time under the supervision of Antichrist himself.
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None of those people have tried to "end religion". They may have tried to restrict religious freedoms, but not end religion outright!

One thing that has to happen to "end religion" is there to be an alternative crutch that people can use in their lives that is as effective as religion undeniably is.

There are so many positives to religion that some people rely on, some people merely use, and others can happily do without. But to end religion one has to offer an alternative solution to many of the people's reasons for holding on to it.
 
Religions that function merely as social tools should be avoided. Either a faith is from God or it is from Man.
 
Lawdog,

Religions that function merely as social tools should be avoided. Either a faith is from God or it is from Man.
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How would you demonstrate that religions are anything OTHER than a social tool developed by man?

Since you cannot show that gods have, could or might exist, you have no basis for your claim, do you?
 
Cris said:
Adstar, etc,

The end of religion as we know it is inevitable, and likely within the next few decades. There will be the exceptional few nutters, but they will become marginalized and irrelevant.

The key to the end is knowledge and specifically the complete reverse engineering of the human brain.

Every religion has at its core the concept or variations of the concept of a spirit or soul. This notion of duality arose in ancient times from the complete ignorance concerning the existence and the functioning of the human brain. Once it can be shown unambiguously that every aspect of human nature is entirely the result of brain function then the soul concept will be finally and totally discredited.

The emergence of AI at around the same time where self –awareness and all would-be human mental and emotional functions are reproduced in a non-biological form, will further hammer-home the redundant and misguided idea of a soul.

What then of Gods? Who cares? Without souls the whole supernatural nonsense of an afterlife, reincarnation, heavens, hells, nirvana, umpteen virgins, and the whole crap load of similar religious gobbledygook is meaningless and leaves any would-be gods impotent without their weapons of fear punishment and reward gibberish.

Roll-on science – us atheists need do nothing but sit back and enjoy watching as knowledge replaces the ignorance of religious gibberish as has been happening these past few hundred years.
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Its such futuristic imagination in the guise of scientific advancement that inspired Walt Disney to have his head frozen when he died so he could be "revived" somewhere in future - lol
 
Adstar said:
i suppose the most powerful form of brain washing is self brain washing and the original poster in this thread just showed to all how deluded they really are.
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I'd have to say a theist's biggest fear could be that atheists are correct. An atheists biggest fear could very well be the theist. My delusional mind also feels that theists are less respectful of life and incredibly more dangerous.

When logic and reason begin to erode the foundations of something you've dedicated your life to it is damn near impossible to admit you're wrong. So far religion has not delivered anything that I would consider worthwhile and convincing enough to change my delusional mind.

Adstar: the biggest difference between me and you is that you need religion. You are consumed by it. You're time might be better spent wondering how you ever got into this position.

Delusion being one of those words anybody can use to describe a person with an opinion that differs from yours is really a cheap insult not even worthy of a counter punch. Speaking of words I think there is a case right now for Faith becoming synonymous with Hope in a religious context. That's about all you have left. You don't have to tell us that you're secretly hoping science proves God exists.

How long can an progressively intelligent population believe in something so ancient? Gods of thunder, gods of fertility, gods of the sea, gods for just about anything ..... science has pretty much caused their demise. All that's left is your god, reduced from a regular frequenter of the Earth to a mysterious being existing on a plane of existence that we can't comprehend except those who hope He's there. God is on the way out, his stature diminishing daily. Stick a fork in Him, He's done.
 
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Leopold,

science has been unable to create life from the elements.
science has no basis to make such claims.
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I have said nothing about creating life from the elements, neither am I particularly interested in such activities. My interests lie in understanding neural networks and how the brain operates and being able to recreate the same functions in an artificial media that would be more durable and more advanced than the fragility of biology. That goal is the desire of many scientists and a goal that I see as a technologist is inevitable.

and also this:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19...trunc_sys.shtml
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Did you read it? That we may have evolved with irrational traits that may have aided or hindered our survival says nothing about whether gods or the supernatural have any basis in reality. That we have a propensity for irrational behavior as evidenced by the billions who follow religion is a good indication that it may be a genetic abnormality in many people.
 
Cris said:
Leopold,
I have said nothing about creating life from the elements, neither am I particularly interested in such activities. My interests lie in understanding neural networks and how the brain operates and being able to recreate the same functions in an artificial media that would be more durable and more advanced than the fragility of biology. That goal is the desire of many scientists and a goal that I see as a technologist is inevitable.
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you are missing the point.
the point is that the very first thing that is requested of a theist is proof.
they stumble and hum haul around but in the end they are hard pressed to come up with any.
i am merely pointing out that science is in the same boat when it comes to the origins of life on this planet

about the link
you requested some kind of evidence that theology was more that something constructed by man, that link was my attempt at proof.

and about your artificial intelligence, let's not forget it took inelligence to create and build it. it did not evolve from the elements nor is it alive.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
I'd have to say a theist's biggest fear could be that atheists are correct. An atheists biggest fear could very well be the theist. My delusional mind also feels that theists are less respectful of life and incredibly more dangerous.
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In what possible way would i be full of fear if atheism was right and God did not exist? If atheism is right then i will never even find out about it because when i die i will simply cease to be. Why should i fear non-existence. :D

Of course the reverse is very different indeed. If i am right ( And I AM) Your rejection of the Love of the truth will see you in a state of eternal torment in a lake of fire. Imagine always burning but never being consumed.. So the only possible fear must rest with the atheist not with the theist. Once again your logic is faulty and you show all your delusion.



When logic and reason begin to erode the foundations of something you've dedicated your life to it is damn near impossible to admit you're wrong. So far religion has not delivered anything that I would consider worthwhile and convincing enough to change my delusional mind.
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:) Your logic and reason is patently dubious, and your pride in your faulty thinking is the key to your own destruction. I no longer consider that you will change your mind, your a dead man walking.



Adstar: the biggest difference between me and you is that you need religion. You are consumed by it. You're time might be better spent wondering how you ever got into this position.
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The biggest difference between you and me is that you need to be your own God.



Delusion being one of those words anybody can use to describe a person with an opinion that differs from yours is really a cheap insult not even worthy of a counter punch. Speaking of words I think there is a case right now for Faith becoming synonymous with Hope in a religious context. That's about all you have left. You don't have to tell us that you're secretly hoping science proves God exists.
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Hypocrite. Most of your anti-Christian posts are filled with references to Christians being delusional. You have just judged yourself to be cheap.



How long can an progressively intelligent population believe in something so ancient? Gods of thunder, gods of fertility, gods of the sea, gods for just about anything ..... science has pretty much caused their demise. All that's left is your god, reduced from a regular frequenter of the Earth to a mysterious being existing on a plane of existence that we can't comprehend except those who hope He's there. God is on the way out, his stature diminishing daily. Stick a fork in Him, He's done.
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Because the truth never changes and God is. What was true then is true now. Your pride and rebellion will be judged.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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religions will dissapear when people evolve and discover the wisdom in ancient religious myths.
 
Adstar said:
In what possible way would i be full of fear if atheism was right and God did not exist? If atheism is right then i will never even find out about it because when i die i will simply cease to be. Why should i fear non-existence. :D

Of course the reverse is very different indeed. If i am right ( And I AM) Your rejection of the Love of the truth will see you in a state of eternal torment in a lake of fire. Imagine always burning but never being consumed.. So the only possible fear must rest with the atheist not with the theist. Once again your logic is faulty and you show all your delusion.
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Exactly! Why should you fear non-existence? It's only the religious that harbour the optimistic view that when they die God will welcome them into heaven for all eternity! Wishful thinking to the extreme!
So you're RIGHT are you? How about some evidence to back up your claims? Lake of fire.....talk sense man!! Where is this lake of fire??
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