Bad Dawg! And all over the carpet!
So what you are presuming here is that people who "Flame" Islam must not know a thing about it.
No,
JDawg, there's no presumption about it. The ignorance is evident in the issues considered and the address given them. One need not presume. An operating conclusion is sufficient.
Yet, later in your post, you claim to know very little about it yourself. Or, should I say, enough to toss insults as carelessly as you do now at Christianity.
And?
Well maybe you should open your eyes and start looking around at your beloved Islam.
To whom are you addressing this comment?
So, basically, you saw the evils of Christianity (No argument there) and said, "well, Islam can't be THAT bad?
Hardly. I cannot be held responsible for your reading comprehension, but I can certainly try to work around those inadequacies.
Becuase that IS the argument you're making here.
Again, I cannot be held responsible for your lack of education.
Becuase it took so damn long to figure out how bad this Western culture was, and you blindly chose Islam instead?
You
do seem to enjoy driving home the point of your own ignorance.
Very simply, as a human being, it is impossible to expect that I got it right in my opposition to Christianity the first time. I learned a number of lessons about what is relevant and irrelevant to my examination of the Christian endeavor. I see absolutely no reason to repeat those mistakes as I learn about Islam, do you?
Or is that the going method in your corner of the Universe? To angrily smash your head against a wall while cursing the wall for being in your way?
That isn't a very intelligent move, and you will figure this out once you do some studying on religion.
What do you recommend,
JDawg? Surely someone as enlightened as you claim to be with such a pompous sentence is capable of communicating such a simple notion.
In the meantime, I understand how you might come to regard the Universe you describe to be not very intelligent. It's not. In fact, it's as near to irredeemably stupid as I've seen in a while.
You must be a slow learner. I'm 22, and I already realize that ALL organized religion from that region are counteractive to the Human purpose
One of the things I learned coming away from Christianity is that broad, sweeping generalizations of my own intellect, such as you have posted of your own, are very bad ideas.
You sound
very religious,
JDawg. Stop worshipping yourself. You're not God.
In the meantime, I can either presume like a bigot so I can be like you, or I can go out and learn about people and their ways and their institutions.
Besides, there's a difference between realizing the counterproductiveness of organized religion and thinking productively about that problem. You have yet to understand this, to judge by your posts.
And if condemnation is all you seek, then you're right, you are done learning. And that is a tragedy. Look at yourself. That's all you'll ever be. And frankly, that's a pathetic little to judge by what you're showing us.
Is it a weight off your chest to surrender to ignorance?
They ALL promote ignorance and brainwashing. ALL of them.
They seem to have had their effect on you.
And what are we in the West?
Personally, I thought we had enough issues on the table already, but if you insist on this point, it's well enough to say that we in the west are humans as well. As such, it would do you well to start dealing with the issue in human terms; that's the problem we in the West are having in general. This is still a hate war dependent on labels of division, organizational abstractions, and presumptions of human values.
"We" are human. "They" are human. I would like to see a few more of the people on the "We" side of that division understand this point. I would like to see those people behave and express themselves accordingly. This, apparently, is beyond the capabilities of many an anti-Islamic hater.
Shall I get into the crimes against humanity that Islam has committed?
Tell ya what, Toots, you're welcome to put that list together if you really want. None of it will surprise me, Baby. Perhaps you don't understand that, Cookie, but to those of us who aren't out begging for a reason to hate someone it seems rather hypocritical to take issue with people for attempting the very same things which have, through history, led to my station and relative comfort and security in the world at the expense of others. Easy enough, woman?
Where do you get that? Who calls Islam subhuman?
Xenophobia is the bread and butter of division. "They" are different from "us". Pay attention to the number of times words like "monstrous" and "barbaric" pop up in the press and in political speeches. Pay attention, sometime, to how sociopolitical debates are framed by the politicians, pundits, and press.
Show me a website that provides a SINGLE scholarship for whites only.
Establish the relevance of the point. This sounds like a discussion for another forum entirely.
Dusty Baker can say that "Blacks are better suited for the hot sun" in a post-game interview, but if Joe Torre were to say "Whites are better suited for the cold climates" he'd be cruicified.
I doubt it. Such a statement by Torre would be supported by anthropological data, at least. Hell, even tribes in Africa we generally describe as "primitive" understand that.
A black comedian can call a white man a cracker or honkey, but a white comic cannot call a black man a nigger.
This is a curious point. After watching this phenomenon for years, I'm convinced that it's the problem of the white comedians, who can't seem to work the word into a joke without absolutely screwing it up. Chris Rock doing the "Carry my bags, Nigger" joke at Lincoln Center has not only comic value in the raw, but also in the historical. Not all of the jokes are that refined, but the point still holds. Were you just counting uses of the word "Nigger", or were you paying attention to the jokes?
And I speak from personal experience. Ghassan, who's total fear of anything non-Muslim causes him to assume things falsely, claims I should thank God that I wasn't "Born a nigger in the projects," just ASSUMED that I WASEN'T born in the projects.
Your apparent lack of awareness of certain issues, the rhythm of your words, and the nature of your sympathies indicate to me that you weren't born in the projects.
Well, I was born there. And I grew up there. And I lived it. I saw racism. I was beat up for being white. I was accused of racism simply for being a white kid. I was robbed for being white. I was ridiculed for being white. I've had a gun to my neck for being white, have you?
Not for being white.
What I can't figure out is why you want to continue to endow the world with the brand of hatred you now claim to have endured.
But the difference between some of them and myself is that I picked myself up and got out of there.
True, true. And your skin color didn't play any role in it.
Their offense was starting a riot at a football game (I believe) and they were kicked out for it.
If my opinion of the latest of Mr. Jackson's exploits really matters to you, please post some informational links, preferably from sources a little less dedicated to ethnic hatred than you are.
It's acceptable for a man like that to fight for his own kind, but not all kinds
To judge by the Sciforums crowd, yourself included, I'm in a class with Jesse Jackson. I'm not sure whether to thank you or tell you to f@ck off.
There are plenty of white people who could use that help. But if there was a white activist who fought only for white people, he'd be dehumanized and called a racist. Why not Jesse?
Things like that make me doubt your tear-jerker story about the projects.
A white activist fighting for white people generally involves a guy seeking to maintain and even expand socioeconomic imbalances which favor white ethnicities.
A black activist fighting for black people generally involves someone trying to make our country live up to its boasts, such as "liberty and justice for all".
So you tell me: A white activist fighting to preserve and augment injustice, a black activist seeking to end injustice.
I think your complaint and question in this case are remarkably stupid. I mean, I'm generally surprised when I come across this degree of argument. I don't know whether to be angry or to feel sorry for you.
Becuase if you're white, and you make one false step, you're either a racist or just plain shit out of luck.
Right. That's why law enforcement targets white people for excessive search and seizure. That's why law enforcement and media jump on missing minority children cases while leaving the white missing children without coverage. That's why Laci Peterson got so much less attention than black women who disappear and die in the last trimester of pregnancy. That's why Pennsylvania was shocked to learn that their criminal justice system was inherently bent against white people. That's why hundreds of whites were arrested in Tulia, Texas, a few years ago in what is now turning out to be one of the most scandalous law enforcement transgressions in recent memory.
I would agree, except that Islam's battle with those not of it's kind has been going on forever, and has not shown any signs of slowing down.
What? What's that? Oh, you're back somewhere near the topic? Oh, alright ...
Well ...I would ask a simple question:
As compared to what?
Look at 9/11. What was that for?
You don't know? Why are you involving yourself in this or any similar discussion?
All we do is get the oil we want. Would we fight a war for that interest? Yes, of course we would. As would they. But they use completely inhumane means to achive their goals, and as a matter of fact, none of their goals are achived.
There are no words to describe the ineffable disgust you inspire.
Are you really this terrible a person in your real life, or are you just venting some abstract, unrelated frustration by concentrating all of your hatred toward those unlike you?
No wonder you don't know why 9/11 happened.
But since the grievous errors of your assertion are practically spray-painted throughout the WE&P forum, I'm going to defer until you either get a brain or kill yourself.
The problem with your beloved Islam
You've got to learn to keep your posts straight. Who and what are you addressing here?
Those nations are so god-damned backwards, it's a suprise they still exist.
Many of them exist in their backward state because of the way in which we in the West went in and got the oil. But if you're so determined to hate as your disgusting review of history implies, I'm going to need a more compelling reason than you're giving to waste a bunch of time connecting the dots for you so that you can continue to utterly fail to understand.
But you must choose, in the grand scheme of things, the lesser of two evils (though I hate calling anything "evil", becuase I don't believe in "good" or "evil")
Choose how? And why must one? Your pompous, fatalistic rhetoric sounds reasonably poetic, but it still reeks of death.
If you chose B, you chose Islam.
Are you
sure about that?
(Edit for a couple grammatical mistakes...not that I caught them all, just the glaring ones)
Grammatical mistakes are problematic, I admit. But nothing can account for the disrespect you show your fellow human being, nor the ignorant hatred bleeding from every letter you write.
Look ... being an American, I have to admit that being on the losing side of wars is not something we're comfortable with. But you're not going to help anything if the best you can bring is a pile of shite-stinking hatred.
There is one time that I don't feel bad about separating someone rhetorically from the human race,
JDawg It is when someone insists that I do. Your reprehensible hatred of human beings is as close as I've come to that point for a while.
One of my favorite bands put out a song a couple years ago that became a quick fan favorite, and even is today despite the
potential political overtones:
While you are warm and safe
Just think of us shivering, beautifully brave.
Fear all that patience we've saved.
Know that we're coming back...
Black Sheep who've formed a pack.
Do you hear our footfalls creeping back up to your walls?
Creeping back home!
Though our armies may be less, there's more of us.
Yeah, rot you will and fertilize our dirt for us.
This, too, is our home.
Yeah, we're on our way home.
We're coming home
Tired of being cold,
And we don't care if your doors are closed. (Floater, "Exiled")
I'm not sure what they intended when they released the song, but it looks to be that in some form or another, its apt. It's a cool song. The mp3 is
here. I find it an interesting juxtaposition to the present situation because Floater generally seems anti-war, such as the art-lyric poetry of
"Alone" (mp3).
When I was a kid, I would have loved this song because I was one of the black sheep willing to form a pack. (It's a 1980s metal thing.) Now the black sheep have dynamite strapped to their chests ... it's a far different magnitude, but it seems an even more apt metaphor.
It goes so fast, like a bomb blast. The conviction of the righteous is gone. (Floater, "Alone")
Of course, I may be wasting both our time with this last part. Your understanding of history is so lacking that I admit to having no confidence in your artistic perspective. Do me a favor?
Try to surprise me? Please?
At least make it look like you give enough of a damn about what you're saying to put up the appearance of a reasonable argument in the first place?
:m:,
Tiassa
