We need religion

[Norsefire]

As in, we need, or could really benefit from, what it is that a "religion" might offer, namely guidelines, common ground, and standards

Standards by which all people can seek to live up to, providing them with goals, and common goals leads to common grounds, which leads to unity; guidelines, providing a true necessary conformity for society, etc

Now, we don't require a religion that has belief in the supernatural or anything of the sort; it could be more of a philosophy-religion, namely something, as I've suggested, that praises, epitomizes, and worships the Human species

 

[Roman]

Why is that when you need something, I have to need it to?

 

[Norsefire]

It is not ME or YOU, it is WE, as a society, if we want a healthy nation. Otherwise we lack cohesion.

We NEED guidance, goals, and WE NEED strict order. I want to see Humanity become gods, and this is not going to happen if we have idiots holding us back.

 

[Roman]

Btw, that's more of an ethic than a religion. Religion requires a sort of subservient, idiot faith. I can see why you find such a thing attractive- most closeted cock cravers do.

 

[Roman]

It is not ME or YOU, it is WE, as a society, if we want a healthy nation. Otherwise we lack cohesion.

We NEED guidance, goals, and WE NEED strict order. I want to see Humanity become gods, and this is not going to happen if we have idiots holding us back.

Society's composed of ME's and YOU's. It's best to let individuals choose for themselves. It's scientific fact.

 

[Norsefire]

Society's composed of ME's and YOU's. It's best to let individuals choose for themselves. It's scientific fact.

If we have a society, how can we let invididuals "choose for themselves"? That is no society. That's a lack of society, because it is individualism. Individualism to that extent is dangerous and anti social. Society requires unity among individuals. And religion, especially one that worships Humanity, can pull this off.

 

[spidergoat]

We don't need to become Gods, just individuals. Humanity's greatest acheivements are accomplished by individual creativity.

 

[Norsefire]

We don't need to become Gods, just individuals. Humanity's greatest acheivements are accomplished by individual creativity.

We don't need to be individualists; we need to all be unique, yes, but we also need something that we all live up to, that we all desire, that we all are united by. We need perfection.

Humanity can make no accomplishments when we still allow the ignorant and weakminded to live freely.

 

[spidergoat]

Just like it's the errors in copying that lead to the creativity of evolution, it's also the mutants, the strange, the non-conformist thinkers in society that provide it with new ideas. The only things we all have to do together is make sure there is enough to eat and we don't destroy the planet.

 

[Roman]

If we have a society, how can we let invididuals "choose for themselves"? That is no society. That's a lack of society, because it is individualism. Individualism to that extent is dangerous and anti social. Society requires unity among individuals. And religion, especially one that worships Humanity, can pull this off.

Not if I choose to interact with other people. Letting individuals choose what is the right amount of socialism is really the best way to do it.

 

[Norsefire]

Just like it's the errors in copying that lead to the creativity of evolution, it's also the mutants, the strange, the non-conformist thinkers in society that provide it with new ideas. The only things we all have to do together is make sure there is enough to eat and we don't destroy the planet.

There's no culture there, no sense of loyalty and community.

We can have different lifestyles, ideas, etc, but as long as we are united and loyal to the same flag, same cause, same goal, and same society, this is what is necessary; and praising the perfection of Humanity, and creating dedication to its betterment, would be perfect.

I am somewhat annoyed even by some religious people that are against transhumanism and cloning. I fully support transhumanism and we could use cloning to build soldiers or workers.

 

[Roman]

We don't need to be individualists; we need to all be unique, yes, but we also need something that we all live up to, that we all desire, that we all are united by. We need perfection.

Humanity can make no accomplishments when we still allow the ignorant and weakminded to live freely.

Again, you might need that, but I don't see why you need to force it on me. It doesn't really make sense.

 

[Norsefire]

Not if I choose to interact with other people. Letting individuals choose what is the right amount of socialism is really the best way to do it.

Ok, they can decide, but if they are in a certain society and disagree, they need to move.

 

[Norsefire]

Again, you might need that, but I don't see why you need to force it on me. It doesn't really make sense.

Humanity needs this if we are to make progress, if we are to have stability, and if we are to have unity. If you do not desire these things, leave.

 

[Roman]

Ok, they can decide, but if they are in a certain society and disagree, they need to move.

Good luck keeping anyone in your society.
You know why Berlin had a wall right? I'll give you a hint- it wasn't to keep people out.

Humanity needs this if we are to make progress, if we are to have stability, and if we are to have unity. If you do not desire these things, leave.

You know why Texans want to put a wall up, right?
It's to keep people from coming to a country that was founded on the ideals of individual and personal liberty.

When people think like you do, you get stuff like 13th century Europe, or Mao, or Stalin. Just doesn't work.

 

[Norsefire]

Good luck keeping anyone in your society.
You know why Berlin had a wall right? I'll give you a hint- it wasn't to keep people out.

We need Human unity. Do you disagree? We need direction, motivation, guidelines, and standards.

You know why Texans want to put a wall up, right?
It's to keep people from coming to a country that was founded on the ideals of individual and personal liberty.You know why Texans want to put a wall up, right?
It's to keep people from coming to a country that was founded on the ideals of individual and personal liberty.

And this same petty "liberty" is holding us back!

We do need freedom to enjoy life, I agree, but if we take it too far, we create greed and lack of cohesion, and we need these things to push Humanity forward.

When people think like you do, you get stuff like 13th century Europe, or Mao, or Stalin. Just doesn't work.

What are you, an anarchist?

Look at how successful and perfect Hitler's society was, before he fell.

 

[Roman]

We need Human unity. Do you disagree? We need direction, motivation, guidelines, and standards.

What central authority led to the Industrial Revolution? What central authority was responsible for the invention of the light bulb, the creation of the internet?

And this same petty "liberty" is holding us back!

From what, exactly?
Leading the industrial revolution?
Landing on the moon?
Inventing more awesome stuff than you know exists?
Please.

We do need freedom to enjoy life, I agree, but if we take it too far, we create greed and lack of cohesion, and we need these things to push Humanity forward.

The driving force of all human society, no, all life is greed. Without incentive, there is no reason to do anything. And force makes a poor incentive when it comes to the innovative thinking that has made modern western society so great.

What are you, an anarchist?

Look at how successful and perfect Hitler's society was, before he fell.

A society run on force, fear, and fake money. Yeah, it sure was going to work out... no, wait, it didn't!

 

[Roman]

Defend ur claims, dood.

 

[visceral_instinct]

It is not ME or YOU, it is WE, as a society, if we want a healthy nation. Otherwise we lack cohesion.

We NEED guidance, goals, and WE NEED strict order. I want to see Humanity become gods, and this is not going to happen if we have idiots holding us back.

Norsefire that's bollocks. I am an atheist, but I get on perfectly well with Christians, provided they do not force their beliefs on me. One of my closest friends is a Christian. I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one.

 

[spidergoat]

Order and conformity are the opposite of creativity and innovation. Without religion and the Dark Ages, we could have built on the technological success of the Greeks and Romans. Religion holds us back.