Was Paul Gay?
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No one says such things in the light. As to whether this is a temporal thing or not I do not know. In the spirit of what I said before, you did not say such things from the light but from darkness. I did not say that you were always in darkness.
It's uncertain whether Malachi made the prediction or not. But from what I've heard from another prophet, there may be a split in Church.
Well M*W you don't see me insulting your faith on this forum. I hope that you see the difference between insulting and debating. You cannot really attack Paul's character. His portrayal in the bible and of the church father's is all we have.
Most likely because the Isrealites were supposed to be set apart.
In particular, the Isrealites were not supposed to interbreed with the tribes surrounding that area.
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WildBlueYonder
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Not so, if you read the Bible, you would see that even if Paul was gay, he felt that it was wrong. Read the First Letter to the Corinthians 6:18 to 20, were he says, "Flee from sexual immorality."
your problem is that the only thing you think about, is that you hate Christianity so much it blinds you to the truth. Read the Second Letter to the Corinthians 12:7 to 10, were he says, "there was given to me a thorn in my flesh". So Paul had temptations, & admitted it.
Of course your prophet didn't, because he made all his weaknesses virtues; he liked little girls, then it's a hadith; liked plunder, then it's a hadith, liked slaves, then it's a hadith, liked world domination, then it's a hadith
So everyone who circumsized someone else back then was gay?
That's an interesting theory. But actually it just sounds more like a typical argument from ignorance. You don't understand the customs of the time so you apply your own culture to theirs and end up with a very twisted view.
As per the objection to circumcision it was the same reason he didn't do baptisms for some people. They were seeking to be baptized and circumcized out of ignorance.
Ben
That's an interesting theory. But actually it just sounds more like a typical argument from ignorance. You don't understand the customs of the time so you apply your own culture to theirs and end up with a very twisted view.
As per the objection to circumcision it was the same reason he didn't do baptisms for some people. They were seeking to be baptized and circumcized out of ignorance.
Ben
I agree with you KalvinB, in terms of methodology. The sociological impacts of history are very rarely noticed unless one is taught how to notice them. What I mean is things you have mentioned (such as applying ones culture to another) are so implicit to each society that they are rarely noticed. Historians notice things that are taken for granted, such as social responsibility, ethics, and customs (that you mentioned), and to be honest that is only because they look for them, but that doesn't mean they are wrong, or even misguided. In fact they surely must be even more guided to even search for the answers to their questions, not to mention the guidance they receive at the conclusion. So it is those who seek that find.
Exactly! It is not a custom (any custom) that benefits the world, it is an understanding of it, even if the custom itself is rejected.
I do not think that the thorn in his flesh was the temptatation of homosexuality. Read this verse:
Galations 4:13-15
13.Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, [even] as Christ Jesus.
15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if [it had been] possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
If you read verse 15, he is saying that the church liked him so much that they would have plucked out their own eyes and given them to him. This would indicate from verse 14 that the temptation in his flesh was his poor eyesight.
From the context in 2 Corinthians, Most likely the Thorn was a physical ailment to keep him humble.
It could also be the fact that every time he turned around he was getting arrested and persecuted. This could be a thorn.
It could also be that he had a terrible past that continued to haunt him. He may have faced persecution from both the church and state at the time because of his past. Because of the limited writing regarding this "Thorn" no one is quite sure what he was referring to, but the text does not imply nor does it relate at all to homosexuality.
Med. Women : Your vile words were both obscene and ignorant. It appears to be vantings of a perverted and vulgar individual. It is funny to me that you speak as if you are a believer of Peace and Love in one thread and than you turn into a bitter preacher of prejudice and hate in the next one. Which is it. Your claims above are both unbased and a portrayal of how pervert an imagination can be.
Actually the definition means to turn aside or away from what is good or true or morally right. Perversion is recognized by judging against what is right and good and causes progression of morality. By your definition, you couldn't recognize a murder unless you had murder in your mind. This is hog wash....
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WildBlueYonder
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Ancient Judaic practices
Just curious about these ideas, so I sent an email to find out about these allegations to "Biblical Archaeology Review" , as follows:
”the reason I am sending this question is because several muslims have referenced two practices that imply various unfounded allegations against ancient Judaism. Their allegations are graphic, so forgive the adult content.
One is that during circumcision, centuries before sanitary practices, the mohel would suck the penis of the young child to staunch the bleeding. The other was that the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls, practiced some ritual were they drank semen.
These allegations are meant to besmirch Judaism, and by association Christianity, by implying homosexual tendencies by early practitioners.
If you have access to any sources that would shed light on these questions, I would appreciate it. Thank you.”
Here is an article about Jesus & the Essenes from that magazine:
http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_BAR/bswbba3001f2.html
”What Jesus Learned from the Essenes”
Just curious about these ideas, so I sent an email to find out about these allegations to "Biblical Archaeology Review" , as follows:
”the reason I am sending this question is because several muslims have referenced two practices that imply various unfounded allegations against ancient Judaism. Their allegations are graphic, so forgive the adult content.
One is that during circumcision, centuries before sanitary practices, the mohel would suck the penis of the young child to staunch the bleeding. The other was that the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls, practiced some ritual were they drank semen.
These allegations are meant to besmirch Judaism, and by association Christianity, by implying homosexual tendencies by early practitioners.
If you have access to any sources that would shed light on these questions, I would appreciate it. Thank you.”
Here is an article about Jesus & the Essenes from that magazine:
http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_BAR/bswbba3001f2.html
”What Jesus Learned from the Essenes”
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WildBlueYonder
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you want it to be true, huh? anyway, how come the original idea was spread only by muslims? was this the use of 'al-taqiyya'? how come jewish sources never mention it? why didn't gay groups extol this as a hypocritical act by homophobic jews & christians?Markx said:
use this to google & voila, you get muslim sites:
"A. N. Wilson, Paul The Mind Of The Apostle, Pimlico. 1998. ISBN 0-7126-6663-X p. 128"
why? because it must be lies, hi 'al-taqiyya'!! as you rear your ugly head
is this guy a Biblical scholar? an unbiased researcher? here's a little about A.N. Wilson
from:
http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/wilbrweb.htm
from:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/anthony.campbell1/bookreviews/r/wilson-an-1.html
a "novelist, biographer and journalist, and the literary editor", that's not the kind of so-called 'researcher' I would quote, in a profound change in the view of early Christianity, my question then: is A.N. Wilson gay?
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WildBlueYonder
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Randolfo said:
I think I found the answer, why do you think this guy wants Paul to be soo gay? could be bias or wishful thinking?
from:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/06/17/ixopinion.html