That's not proof of anything.
Vaccine related autism study?
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How do you tell an autistic mouse? Is there even such a thing?
They line up their droppings in careful rows and become very angry when you rearrange them.
The amount of aluminium in the vaccines is about 2 mg.
Utterly harmless.
If you can find some link claiming that such a level of aluminium salt is harmful, please quote it.
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Magical Realist
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Uh no. It was because given all the other sources of mercury in our environment, it was important to reduce high mercury levels in infants induced by vaccines. Here's the CDC's statement:
Why was thimerosal removed from vaccines given to children?
- Although no evidence suggests that there are safety concerns with thimerosal, vaccine manufacturers have stopped using it as a precautionary measure.The only vaccine that still includes thimerosal as a preservative is the multi-dose inactivated influenza vaccine. There are other formulations of flu vaccine that do not include thimerosal.
- In 1999, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was required by law to assess the amount of mercury in all the products the agency oversees, not just vaccines. The U.S. Public Health Service decided that as much mercury as possible should be removed from vaccines, and thimerosal was the only source of mercury in vaccines.
- The decision to remove it was a made as a precautionary measure to decrease overall exposure to mercury among young infants.
- Thimerosal was removed from all childhood vaccines in 2001 with the exception of inactivated flu vaccine in multi-dose vials. However, thimerosal has been removed from all single-dose preparations of flu vaccine for children and adults. There has never been thimerosal in live attenuated flu vaccine or recombinant flu vaccine. No acceptable alternative preservative has yet been identified for multi-dose flu vaccine vials.
Magical Realist
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You don't know much about scientific research do you?
"Several large epidemiological studies—including one that involved tracking the medical history of every person born in Denmark between 1980 and 2005—have found a correlation between viral infection during the first trimester of a mother's pregnancy and a higher risk for autism spectrum disorder in her child. To model this in mice, the researchers injected pregnant mothers with a viral mimic that triggered the same type of immune response a viral infection would.
"In mice, this single insult to the mother translates into autism-related behavioral abnormalities and neuropathologies in the offspring," says Elaine Hsiao, a graduate student in Patterson's lab and lead author of the PNAS paper.
The team found that the offspring exhibit the core behavioral symptoms associated with autism spectrum disorder—repetitive or stereotyped behaviors, decreased social interactions, and impaired communication. In mice, this translates to such behaviors as compulsively burying marbles placed in their cage, excessively self grooming, choosing to spend time alone or with a toy rather than interacting with a new mouse, or vocalizing ultrasonically less often or in an altered way compared to typical mice.
- See more at: http://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech...larities-and-autism-4219#sthash.ofvlMuPp.dpuf
Magical Realist
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- Hib (PedVaxHib brand only) – 225 mcg per shot
- Hepatitis B – 250 mcg
- DTaP – depending on the manufacturer, ranges from 170 to 625 mcg
- Pneumococcus – 125 mcg
- Hepatitis A – 250 mcg
- HPV – 225 mcg
- Pentacel (DTaP, HIB and Polio combo vaccine) – 330 mcg
- Pediarix (DTaP, Hep B and Polio combo vaccine) – 850 mcg
At well-child check-ups, it’s common for 2 month, 4 month, 6 month etc., appointments to include up to 8 vaccinations that add up to more than 1,000 mcg of aluminum. Look at the chart above and notice that that amount isn’t even safe for a 350 pound adult. And many children get up to 8 vaccinations a visit several times a year!
According to the FDA and the AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics), what happens if a child receives more than the maximum required dose of aluminum?
- Aluminum builds up in the bones and brain and can be toxic.
- Aluminum can cause neurological harm.
- Aluminum overdose can be fatal in patients with weak kidney’s or kidney disorders or in premature babies. (How many children are tested to see if their kidney’s are functioning properly before they are vaccinated? Could this also be why the Hepatitis B shot, given to infants at birth, has been linked to SIDS? Neonatal Deaths After Hep B vaccination.)
http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/
...says the guy who believes in ghosts.
Magical Realist
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"Manufacturers began voluntarily removing Thimerosal from pediatric vaccines around 2000. It is assumed that most pediatric vaccines containing Thimerosal were “off the shelves” by 2003. (No vaccines were recalled.) Even so, most infants are still routinely given Thimerosal-containing influenza vaccine even though there are Thimerosal-free and vaccines with trace amounts of Thimerosal. Infants receiving a Thimerosal-containing influenza vaccine are dosed at 6 months with 12.5 mcg of ethyl mercury and at 7 months with an additional 12.5 mcg. Adult Thimerosal-containing vaccines contain roughly 25mcg. These Thimerosal-containing version exceed federal safety guidelines mentioned earlier.
Depending on the vaccines administered, at six months of age, infants today born to mothers who received flu vaccine during pregnancy could receive up to 71 mcg of ethyl mercury compared to 187.5 mcg prior to efforts to decrease the amount of thimerosal in infant vaccines. Additionally, the new CDC guidelines recommend that all children from 2 to 5 years of age receive an annual influenza vaccine. As a result, the total amount of thimerosal given to children under 5 years of age is almost what it was prior to 2000.
There are other sources of mercury exposure in infants. Specifically, it should be recognized that influenza vaccine recommended for pregnant women and some rhogam preparations contain ethyl mercury in the form of thimerosal. Total mercury burden include other sources including dental amalgams (silver fillings), food especially some types of fish, and air pollution from coal-fired power plants and wildfires.
Concerns regarding mercury in vaccines were addressed in a letter published by the Journal Pediatrics on March 13, 2008.As noted in the letter, parents and pregnant women may want to consider the following data and make an informed decision.
- 0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells (Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).
- 2 ppb mercury = U.S. EPA limit for drinking water.
- 20 ppb mercury = Neurite membrane structure destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37).
- 200 ppb mercury = level in liquid the EPA classifies as hazardous waste.
- 25,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in the Hepatitis B vaccine, administered at birth in the U.S., from 1990-2001.
- 50,000 ppb Mercury = Concentration of mercury in multi-dose DTaP and Haemophilus B vaccine vials, administered 4 times each in the 1990's to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age.
- 50,000 ppb Mercury = Current "preservative" level mercury in multi-dose flu (94% of supply), meningococcal and tetanus (7 and older) vaccines. This can be confirmed by simply analyzing the multi- dose vials."===http://www.nvic.org/faqs/mercury-thimerosal.aspx
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Those levels refer to patients with kidney disease, and premature babies.
Here's what the FDA say in an article about this subject:
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/ScienceResearch/ucm284520.htm
Magical Realist
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"Based on the FDA’s 1993 Total Diet Study dietary exposure model and the 1987–1988 U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Nationwide Food Consumption Survey, the authors estimated daily aluminum intakes of 0.10 mg Al/kg/day for 6 –11-month-old infants; 0.30–0.35 mg Al/kg/day for 2–6-year-old children; 0.11 mg Al/kg/day for 10-year old children; 0.15–0.18 mg Al/kg/day for 14–16-year-old males and females; and 0.10–0.12 mg Al/kg/day for adult (25–30- and 70+-year-old) males and females."
Based on this, the daily intake of aluminum for 6-11 month old infant, who is average about 7.5 kgs, SHOULD be 0.750 mg, or 750 mcg. Agree?
Now lets see what the dose of aluminum from vaccines is:
- Hib (PedVaxHib brand only) – 225 mcg per shot
- Hepatitis B – 250 mcg
- DTaP – depending on the manufacturer, ranges from 170 to 625 mcg
- Pneumococcus – 125 mcg
- Hepatitis A – 250 mcg
- HPV – 225 mcg
- Pentacel (DTaP, HIB and Polio combo vaccine) – 330 mcg
- Pediarix (DTaP, Hep B and Polio combo vaccine) – 850 mcg
What's up with THAT?
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So the number of autism cases must be plummeting now that there is no thimerosal in vaccines.
zgmc
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I don't like to see that the flu shot has that much mercury in it. What is the reasoning here? I'm not convinced that any amount of mercury is safe.
It's not free murcury, it's a compound. Not the same thing.
Would have been more interesting if they had extended the data past 1998 to see if it held in reverse: IE, since mercury has been phased-out, did new autism cases also plummet?Interesting chart:
That statement says nothing about "high mercury levels in infants". In fact, it explicitly states that no evidence of a health risk exists. You're either lying (yet, with the truth in plain English right in front of you?) or you have a severe reading comprehension problem.
Magical Realist
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But it ends up as the same after metabolizing:
"The vaccine purveyors often argue that “ethylmercury” compounds (THIMEROSAL) are safe, while admitting that “methylmercury” compounds are harmful. Hence industry uses the FDA-approved purportedly “safe” ethlymercury compound found in Thimerosal.
Having thoroughly reviewed two key published studies on mercury metabolism, one in rats and one in human infants, what Dr. Paul G. King noticed and articulated, among other realities, in his latest posting is that during the metabolic process in the human and animal bodies the supposedly “harmless” ethylmercury compound, Thimerosal, is metabolized (converted) into the toxic and “harmful” methylmercury. And then in turn, the harmful methylmercury is metabolized (converted) into the most harmful, long-term-toxic, “inorganic” mercury that is retained in bodily tissues.
In the rat study, which Dr. King cites, the lab rats were raised for the purpose of this study and had no reported mercury levels in their blood before the experiment.
There were three groups in the study:
1. A test group of Thimerosal-(ethylymercury)-treated rats;
2. A test group of methylmercury-chloride-treated rats; and
3. A control group of rats treated with a ‘water’ placebo.
At the end of the experiment, as expected, the water-treated control group had no reported levels of mercury in their blood or organs.
The group treated with methylmercury chloride (which vaccine purveyors routinely “sound bite” as the harmful organic mercury as compared to the “safe” Thimerosal, ethylmercury), as expected, had both methylmercury and inorganic mercury in their blood and organs.
Note: “Inorganic” mercury is the end product of mercury metabolism. The methylmercury subject group confirmed that the metabolic pathway for mercury in the human and animal body consists in the reduction/conversion of the harmful methylmercury into a more harmful “inorganic” mercury which is tissue-bound, and long-term-toxic. Hence, both the originating substance (methylmercury) and its conversion/reduction, inorganic mercury was found.
The Thimerosal Group: Unexpectedly, the rats treated with Thimerosal (ethylmercury) were found to have three types of mercury in the blood samples and their organs, ethylmercury (the originating “supposedly harmless” compound), methylmercury (the admittedly harmful compound) and inorganic mercury (the most harmful, tissue bound end product of mercury metabolism).
This observation begs an answer to the question: Where did the “methylmercury” come from since this group was only originally and solely treated with Thimerosal (an “ethylmercury” compound)?
Based on the published findings in the three groups of rats, the metabolic pathway for organic mercury involves the conversion of Ethylmercury (Thimerosal) into “methylmercury” and then the further reduction of “methylmercury” into inorganic mercury.
It may be that some of the “ethylmercury” (from Thimerosal) are also directly converted into inorganic mercury. However, there are apparently no studies, in either humans or other animals, that establishes the biochemical conversion of ethylmercury compounds directly into the “inorganic” mercury.
In conclusion, in simple layman’s terms, these studies, as brought to light by Dr. King, establish that ethylmercury (Thimerosal), a “supposedly harmless” compound of mercury according to the vaccine establishment, is converted in the rat [1] and apparently in the human infant [2] into “methylmercury” which, the establishment admits is a harmful form of mercury. It is then further reduced to the long-term most harmful, “inorganic mercury” that bioaccumulates in the tissues and organs.
Based on these findings, we can conclude that injecting the Thimerosal (ethylmercury), found in flu shots, into pregnant women (exposing the in utero fetus to mercury [see Table I on page 15 of Dr. King’s posting (http://dr-king.com/docs/110915_PGKReviewOfUSSubmissionToUNEP_b.pdf)] and the egregious recommendation that children should be vaccinated, annually with Thimerosal-preserved inactivated-influenza vaccines from 6 months of age until 18 years of age is a perplexing interwoven government/pharmaceutical health strategy that afflicts, debilitates and destroy the lives of individuals and their families in the United States (US) and in any other nation that: a) recommends inactivated-influenza vaccines for pregnant women and children, b) permits those flu shots to be Thimerosal-preserved and c) follows the US recommendations for annual flu shots.
P.S. One more interesting observation: At sacrifice, the rats in the group that had been treated with Thimerosal-ethylmercury (supposed the harmless compound) had significantly higher levels of the long-term, harmful “inorganic” mercury in their brains than the rats in the methylmercury-chloride-treated group.
Perhaps we should inject the harmful methylmercury directly into our children’s arms instead of Thimerosal (ethylmercury). It appears that if we use the harmful form of mercury right off the bat, there is less inorganic mercury in our children’s brains. But, on the other hand, if the establishment wants more inorganic mercury in our children’s brains and organs (which it appears they do) lets stick with Thimerosal. The pharmaceutical companies stand to gain when we make our children sicker and sicker by injecting them first in-utero and then consistently, year after year, with a known and extremely dangerous neurotoxin. And both the government and the pharmaceutical companies stand to gain when they injury the emerging generation with vaccines, misdiagnose them as mentally ill (Autistic, ADD, ADHD, Biopolar, OCD, etc.) and then dumb them down with a life long supply of psyche drugs which, according to the Mayo Clinic is resulting in the birth of an epidemic of deformed offspring.
References:
[1]Rodriques JL, Serpeloni JM, Batista BL, Souza S, Barbosa Jr F. Identification and distribution of mercury species in rat tissues following administration of Thimerosal or methyl mercury. Arch Toxicol 2010; 84: 891-896.
[2]Pichichero ME, Gentile A, Giglio N, Umido V, Clarkson T, Cernichiari E, Zareba G, Gotelli C, Gotelli M, Yan L, and Treanor J. (2008) Mercury Levels in Newborns and Infants After Receipt of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines. Pediatrics 2008; 121(2): e208-e214."===http://www.infowars.com/establishme...ccines-vs-admittedly-dangerous-methylmercury/
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zgmc
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Now I have to find out if the flu shot my 4 year old just got had thimerosal in it. I was under the impression that it was no longer in vaccines. I will also forward that study to see what he thinks.
Magical Realist
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On a related and particularly timely topic, here's a must-see video about a CDC cover up of information proving a link between the measles vaccine and autism. The link curiously pertains only to black boys who got their measles vaccine on time. But it reveals the kind of corruption that has and probably is still going on in even the most hallowed halls of medical science. I'd LIKE to think that this sort of dishonesty ISN'T going on. I'd LIKE to trust every study the CDC puts it's name behind. But you have to wonder now just how honest the corporately-backed pushers of unbridled vaccination are being in their studies and metanalysises of the evidence.
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