Vaccine related autism study?

[Magical Realist]

So you find both terrorism and deaths due to lack of vaccinations a cause to LOL.

A good article on someone who was brainwashed by the anti-vaxxers, but came to their senses. It also is a good description of what a cult the anti-vaxxing movement has become.
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Leaving the Anti-Vaccine Movement

I can’t tell you how I became pro-vaccine without first telling you how I became anti-vaccine.

When my oldest daughter was about four months old, I discovered “crunchy” parenting. I entered a world full of cloth diapers, “intactivism,” and home birth. I made a lot of new friends who shared my beliefs about peaceful attachment parenting, and I started to notice a trend – many of these same friends also didn’t vaccinate. I discussed it one day with a real-life friend, who told me I should look up vaccine ingredients, read the package inserts, and check out the adverse events reported on VAERS.

So I did a Google search for “vaccine ingredients” and was shocked by what I found. Could there really be all of these nasty-sounding ingredients in vaccines, I wondered? I went to the CDC’s website and found package inserts. I didn’t understand much of what I read, but it did sound pretty scary. I looked up the prevalence of diseases today and realized that nobody had even caught diphtheria for years! I was confused, and my daughter’s six-month check up was coming up. I opted out of vaccines then, telling the doctor I wanted to do some more research before we went any further.

However, my research was very skewed. I was going into it with preconceived ideas – my anti-vaccine friends had put ideas into my head, such as not trusting government websites. I was forced to rely on whatever I could find while Googling, which were often websites like Mercola or whale.to. I even started “liking” anti-vaccine pages on Facebook – pages that I now understand masquerade as “information” centers. I got added to Facebook groups like “Great Mothers Questioning Vaccines.”

Even though all of my supposed research was coming from non-scientific sources, I trusted it.

Then I got pregnant with our second child and planned a home birth. My midwives were very supportive of my anti-vaccination stance. My second daughter was born at home, and for months I prided myself on the fact that she had never been “injected with anything.” I even bragged about how we didn’t take her to the doctor until she was six months old.

My friends, too, were supportive. They reassured me that my breast milk was protecting her from disease, and how she was a shining example of a healthy unvaccinated child. I was proud to have a sense of community with other mothers who shared my views and who cheered me on.

However, I’ve always considered myself a skeptic, and I began to notice how some of my anti-vaccine friends believed in some other things that I found, well, questionable. For example, several of my anti-vaccine friends posted about chemtrails pretty frequently. I’d never heard of chemtrails, so I did some research and quickly discovered it was just a conspiracy theory easily explained away by people who actually understood how airplane contrails work. I also noticed that skeptic pages I followed occasionally made jabs about “anti-vaxxers” and homeopaths.

It was a slow process, but I gradually began to question my own anti-vaccine views. I stopped posting about vaccines for several months and began seeking out real science that would show me the truth, either way. What I found shocked me.

Anti-vaccine people had told me countless times that safety studies on vaccines were extremely lacking, but I was able to pull up hundreds of studies with just a few PubMed searches. They had told me that better hygiene and sanitation had been responsible for the massive decreases in disease, not vaccines—but I was able to find graphs and information from the CDC proving this wasn’t the case.

I was told vaccines overload the immune system. “Too many too soon” was burned into my brain.

In the end, I couldn’t continue to deny the science. It’s hard to believe now how easily I bought into everything I was hearing from the anti-vaccine crowd. It seems extremely obvious now: doctors aren’t evil, scientists aren’t trying to kill your kids with toxins, and vaccine researchers aren’t just trying to scam you out of your money.

When my youngest daughter was ten months old, I had finally made up my mind. It was time to start vaccinating again. It had been a two-year journey that took me from one end of the spectrum to the other, but at least this time I’ve got science on my side. Both of my girls are in the process of catching up on their vaccines now. They’re getting immunizations in the same order they would have gotten them at a younger age.

Both handled their first round of shots just fine, without even a fever. If it weren’t for the tiny bruises on their legs, you wouldn’t even know they’d just gotten shots. I’m proud to be a vaccinating mom now, to be giving my children the best shot at a healthy life.

The fallout from changing my views was pretty extreme. Within two weeks of “coming out” on Facebook about my new stance, I lost over 50 friends. People who had cheered me on and supported me through my home birth, who had told me countless times that I was an awesome mother and an inspiration, just dropped me like we’d never been friends at all. I was removed from groups and blocked by people I didn’t even know. I was accused of being brainwashed and told that my girls were going to get autism and have terrible reactions. It hurt.

I now view the anti-vaccine movement as a sort of cult, where any sort of questioning gets you kicked out, your crunchy card revoked. I was even told I couldn’t call myself a natural mother anymore, because vaccines are too unnatural. That’s fine. I just want to be the best parent I know how to be, and that means always being open to new information and admitting when I’m wrong.

I was terribly wrong about vaccines, and I’m thankful my girls never caught anything. I feel like I’m being more true to myself, now, as well. I’m not blindly following what others say, just because we agree on a few other things. I’m putting my trust in science, and discovering who were really my friends all along.

Megan Sandlin is a 20-year-old mother of two. She, her husband, and her children live together in the Midwest. When not playing with her children, Megan blogs about motherhood and parenting.

Wow. So another 20 year old mother caves to the establishment and it's lies and attempts to cover up genuine scientific research. So what else is new? There's tremendous incentive to be part of the majority. To NOT be castigated as stupid or selfish or a murderer of babies simply because you accept that there's evidence for the dangers of overvaccination. Fortunately she's not a mother who had her child come down with regressive autism, bowel disease, encephalitis, or immune disorders. Who observed their child's symptoms shortly after being vaccinated. Good for her. We should all be so lucky. To not have a personal stake in this issue.

 

[billvon]

Fortunately she's not a mother who had her child come down with regressive autism, bowel disease, encephalitis, or immune disorders.

From WebMD:
"The CDC, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development at the National Institutes of Health, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Working Party on MMR Vaccine of the United Kingdom's Committee on the Safety of Medicines have dismissed any correlation of MMR vaccination to autism as baseless."

So much for your scare tactic. Can't blame autism on vaccines if it isn't happening. And once again, for the reading impaired, your risk of getting autism from vaccines is 0. That's much lower than dying from an accident, or murder, or a car crash.

 

[Magical Realist]

DO you understand how toxicity works?

Do you understand the health risks of aluminum adjuvants in vaccines?

http://www.nature.com/icb/journal/v82/n5/full/icb200475a.html

 

[Magical Realist]

From WebMD:
"The CDC, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development at the National Institutes of Health, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Working Party on MMR Vaccine of the United Kingdom's Committee on the Safety of Medicines have dismissed any correlation of MMR vaccination to autism as baseless."

So much for your scare tactic. Can't blame autism on vaccines if it isn't happening. And once again, for the reading impaired, your risk of getting autism from vaccines is 0. That's much lower than dying from an accident, or murder, or a car crash.

Yeah..that should settle everything. Except for these facts:

"The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), a group of individuals hand-picked by members of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), recommends which vaccines are administered to American children. Working mainly in secret, ACIP members frequently have financial links to vaccine manufacturers. Dependent on federal CDC funding, administrators of state vaccination programs follow CDC directives by influencing state legislators to mandate new vaccines. Federal vaccine funds can be denied to states that do not “vigorously enforce” mandatory vaccination laws.

Conversely, the CDC offers financial bounties to state departments of health for each “fully vaccinated” child. In a recent year, the Ohio Department of Health received $1 million in such CDC bonus payments.

At CDC national immunization conferences, Merck and other vaccine manufacturers wine and dine thousands of attendees who make their living promoting and administering vaccines.

Are physicians beholden?
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), a major supporter of mandatory chicken pox and other vaccine mandates across the country, shares incestuous financial ties with Merck. When constructing its new headquarters in suburban Chicago, the AAP solicited funds from Merck, and received $100,000 for its building campaign.

Vaccines represent an economic boon for pediatricians. Profitable well-baby visits are timed to coincide with vaccination schedules established by the AAP and the CDC."===https://www.wellbeingjournal.com/profits-not-science-motivate-vaccine-mandates/

 

[billvon]

Are physicians beholden?
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), a major supporter of mandatory chicken pox and other vaccine mandates across the country, shares incestuous financial ties with Merck. When constructing its new headquarters in suburban Chicago, the AAP solicited funds from Merck, and received $100,000 for its building campaign.

Vaccines represent an economic boon for pediatricians. Profitable well-baby visits are timed to coincide with vaccination schedules established by the AAP and the CDC.

So getting a $100,000 donation for an organization will cloud the judgment of doctors who don't benefit directly, but Andrew Wakefield's $43 million a year business venture could not POSSIBLY have influenced him to badmouth his competition. Perfect Magical logic.

The organization Autism Speaks has a clear and concise answer for this:
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Over the last two decades, extensive research has asked whether there is any link between childhood vaccinations and autism. The results of this research are clear: Vaccines do not cause autism. We urge that all children be fully vaccinated.

Rob Ring
Chief Science Officer, Autism Speaks
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[Russ_Watters]

Arguing that antivaxxers are causing deaths from measles is probably not a good idea either. But then we all know they're selfish babykillers. Makes it so much easier to hate them doesn't it.

I've never made any such argument. I think thousands of unnecessary measles cases is plenty good enough reason to despise the anti-vax cult.

 

[Bells]

You seem to have problems remembering the point of this thread. If you still think it was to be limited to MMR, then check the OP. I specifically said "VACCINES" not MMR. The study stands.





Oh my. Big anti-abortion conspiracy ploy is all ya got here? So what? The study stands on its own merits, and research supports the effect injected human DNA on the brain.

"So it should come as no surprise that the FDA has known for decades about the dangers of insertional mutagenesis by using the human fetal cell lines and yet, they chose to ignore it. Instead of conducting safety studies they regulated the amount of human DNA that could be present in a vaccine to no greater than 10ng. (www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/05/slides/5-4188S1_4draft.ppt)

Unfortunately, Dr. Deisher’s team discovered that the fetal DNA levels ranged anywhere from 142ng – 2000ng per dose, way beyond the so-called “safe” level.

“There are a large number of publications about the presence of HERV (human endogenous retrovirus – the only re-activatable endogenous retrovirus) and its association with childhood lymphoma,” noted Dr Deisher. “The MMR II and chickenpox vaccines and indeed all vaccines that were propagated or manufactured using the fetal cell line WI-38 are contaminated with this retrovirus. And both parents and physicians have a right to know this!”

Reading and comprehension is not a huge thing for you, is it?

Deisher put out false and misleading studies, that have been widely discredited by the scientific community, because she is going into the vaccine business.

So by fueling distrust in current vaccines, she hopes to drive more to her brand. You haven't even read her website and the pro-life sites she often posts in, have you? She's trying to sell her own vaccines and she's doing it by putting out studies, like the one you linked, which is claiming that the vaccines are being created from aborted foetus' and that those stem cells are invading their children through vaccines and altering their DNA to give them autism. Then she says 'but here, buy my vaccines as mine won't do that'.

This is why you should stop getting your links and your studies from anti-vaccine sites.

Good for her. We should all be so lucky. To not have a personal stake in this issue.

Hmm..

Actually, she is very lucky. She is lucky her children never became ill.

When I was born in my birth country, which was a poor and small country, vaccines were quite hard to come by. So I was not vaccinated as a child. When I was two, I caught rubella. Not uncommon. I was in home childcare, run by a neighbour, because both of my parents had to work. My mother was close to reaching the 3 month mark in her pregnancy. What everyone assumed was my getting a cold, was actually rubella. By the time the actual symptoms became clear and that it clearly was rubella, it was too late. She had never had it. And being very contagious, she caught it off me before the symptoms showing that it was rubella even appeared. The doctors were concerned, but there was no way to tell. They did blood tests and all sorts of other tests, but they couldn't tell if the baby was affected. Ultrasounds were not available there back then.

She then miscarried at 6 months. They would not even let her see my little brother because he was so badly deformed. My grandparents and my aunts saw him, because they had to arrange for the funeral. To this day, my aunts would not speak of it, it traumatised them so much. One of them went on to miscarry a child to rubella not long after.

When I was 5 years of age, I came down with the mumps. While my mother had had it as a child, my father had not. I remember him falling ill with it. And the doctor having to come to our house in the middle of the night and him screaming in agony. Then I remember his parents arriving, my mother sobbing and she and my grandfather putting him in the car with the doctor and rushing to the hospital and my grandmother staying to take care of me. He was there for several weeks, I only remember my mother crying lots and then having to go and live with relatives so they could help take care of me as she came to pieces and then when he was finally released several weeks later, staying with relatives so that she could take care of him at home without interruption. I remember coming home after that and my father crying a lot, my mother crying a lot. I never really understood what was going on at the time. I would ask questions, but they went unanswered for many years. It was when I was around 15, that I asked my mother why she never had any more children after me (my big sister died 4 days after her birth), that I found out. My having caught rubella and passing it onto my mother resulted in her miscarrying. Then when I caught the mumps, I had passed it onto my father, it also attacked one of his testicles and by the end of it, he could no longer father children. They had to remove his testicle and he apparently came very close to dying.

He wasn't alone in our family. Three of his cousins, all male and their parents only children, came down with the mumps as teenagers. None of them can now father children. And on and on it goes in our family. My grandfather lost his hearing to measles as a child. His younger brother, suffered brain damage from one of them, one of his older sisters became blind after suffering from complications from measles. This was normal in my birth country, before vaccinations became widely available. I do not know one family that was untouched by it in some way, shape or form. My mother lost her younger brother to measles, complications and he died. I have another cousin on her side who is deaf, also from the measles. Until vaccinations became widely available and the Government put in a country wide vaccination program that ensured everyone could get it, this was the norm. And in effect, I ruined my parent's ability to ever have children again.

When we migrated to Australia, the migration process involved extensive vaccinations before we could be allowed to enter Australia. The day that we were due to have the vaccines, which were given at the Australian Embassy, my parents got there before the gates even opened.

That was the reality of no vaccinations back then. So when I see people like you make possibly the most stupid argument known to mankind to push us back to the days of when there were no vaccinations, I feel the veins explode in my neck and the vomit of rage rise in my throat. Because what you are pushing is what my family, and all the families I know, went through back then. You are trying to take us back 40 years. Literally. In every sense of the word. And I don't think you quite realise just how dangerous that is.

You are lucky in that you never experienced or got to experience what life was like without vaccines. So you are speaking form a position of not having a fucking clue about anything you are talking about or what you are actively plugging in this thread. From my perspective, people like you and the Jenny McCarthy's and the other hacks, should be mocked and pointed at for your innate collective stupidity, every single time you open your mouths to spout the bullshit that is the anti-vaccine lies you spout.

 

[Trippy]

Do you understand the health risks of aluminum adjuvants in vaccines?

http://www.nature.com/icb/journal/v82/n5/full/icb200475a.html

You're side stepping the issue and your usage of this paper to make your point only reinforces mine (that you don't understand how toxicity actually works).

 

[Bells]

Babies too young to be vaccinated are protected by their vaccinated mother's antibodies. But even that fails sometimes. So your pathetic baby-killing accusation is exposed. Besides, the unvaccinated at Disneyland are believed to have been foreigners. NOT antivaxxers. I've already stated this. You really should read the whole thread.

That depends. Is the mother vaccinated? The irony of your argument shows just how much vaccinations are necessary to provide newborns with any form of immunity. The US is facing many in future generations not being vaccinated and having no immunity to pass on to their newborns. Then you will really see the horror of what it was like when I was a baby 40 years ago.

The immunity is not that strong.

Having had two children, I can assure you, they are not. That is why it is so often newborns who end up catching diseases like measles and whooping cough, because they are too young to be vaccinated. When my kids were born, for the first two months, I did not take them to anywhere crowded or public - like supermarkets and the like. Because they were not vaccinated yet. And it is why if parents wish to send their children to childcare in my home state, they have to show proof of immunisation or doctors letter stating why the child cannot be immunised before they are allowed to attend said childcare or daycare centers. It ensures protection to those who cannot be vaccinated. Such as newborns and young babies.

 

[Kittamaru]

So much for your scare tactic. Can't blame deaths on antivaxxers if the deaths aren't happening. And once again, for the reading impaired, your risk of dying from measles is 1 in a few 1000. That's much lower than dying from an accident, or murder, or a car crash. Although Billvon reminds us it's more than dying from terrorists. lol!

So by your "logic", because the deaths aren't happening in the United States (one of the areas where large-spread vaccination is, or at least was, common), then vaccines aren't effective, and not getting them is somehow not putting you at risk?

Where are you getting your statistics from, by the way? Provide citations/sources, or retract your statements - otherwise, you WILL be cited, per the rules of this forum:

When posting:

• Post clearly and coherently.
• Support your arguments with evidence.
• Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
• Avoid logical fallacies.
• Do not expect members to do your homework for you.

Provide evidence for your arguments

As for your "statistics"
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html

Severe Complications
Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.

• As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
• About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or mentally retarded.
• For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.

Not "one out of every few thousand" as you said:

...your risk of dying from measles is 1 in a few 1000. That's much lower than dying from an accident, or murder, or a car crash.

But rather, one or two out of a thousand will die. Oh, but lets not forget those children who are struck deaf and/or mentally retarded... and then this fun little tidbit, from the same source:

Long-term Complications
Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) is a very rare, but fatal disease of the central nervous system that results from a measles virus infection acquired earlier in life. SSPE generally develops 7 to 10 years after a person has measles, even though the person seems to have fully recovered from the illness. Since measles was eliminated in 2000, SSPE is rarely reported in the United States.

Among people who contracted measles during the resurgence in the United States in 1989 to 1991, 4 to 11 out of every 100,000 were estimated to be at risk for developing SSPE. The risk of developing SSPE may be higher for a person who gets measles before they are two years of age. For more information, see Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE): MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia.

So, between 4 and 11 (lets just round it out to say 8) people out of 100,000, or 1 out of about 12,000 will get this fatal disease, years after they have had, and recovered from, measles.

But that's okay, right Magical Realist? You don't mind "playing the odds"; after all, what are the chances it'll be your child, or a friends child, or a family members child. After all, if it doesn't directly affect you, why should you care, right?

As to your other "statistics"

That's much lower than dying from an accident, or murder, or a car crash.

http://www.riskcomm.com/visualaids/riskscale/datasources.php

Risk of Dying next year:
Transport Accidents
Pedestrian 1 in 47,273
Pedal Cyclist 1 in 375,412
Motor Cycle Rider 1 in 89,562
Car occupant 1 in 17,625

Lets do some math:

Death in Pedestrian Accident: 1 / 47,273 = .00211 %
Death in Pedal Cycle Accident: 1 / 375,412 = .00026 %
Death in Motor Cycle Accident: 1 / 89,562 = .00111 %
Death in Car Accident: 1 / 17,625 = .00567 %

Death from Measles: 1 / 1000 = .1 %
Death from SSPE: 1 / 12,000 = .00833%

So, to add it all up:

Death from measles = .1% + .00833% = .10833 %
Death from Accident: = .00211 + .00026 + .00111 + .00567 = .00915%

So, you are almost 12 times MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM MEASLES than you are from a car/cycle/pedestrian accident...

Your statistics, Magical Realist, are BULLSHIT - retract them.

Babies too young to be vaccinated are protected by their vaccinated mother's antibodies. But even that fails sometimes. So your pathetic baby-killing accusation is exposed. Besides, the unvaccinated at Disneyland are believed to have been foreigners. NOT antivaxxers. I've already stated this. You really should read the whole thread.

You are WRONG again:

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/939.aspx?CategoryID=62

During the last three months of pregnancy, antibodies from the mother are passed to her unborn baby through the placenta.

This type of immunity is called passive immunity because the baby has been given antibodies rather than making them itself. Antibodies are special proteins that the immune system produces to help protect the body against bacteria and viruses.

The amount and type of antibodies passed to the baby depends on the mother's immunity. For example, if the mother has had chickenpox, she will have developed immunity against the condition and some of the chickenpox antibodies will be passed to the baby. However, if the mother has not had chickenpox, the baby will not be protected.

Immunity in newborn babies is only temporary and starts to decrease after the first few weeks or months. Breast milk also contains antibodies, which means that babies who are breastfed have passive immunity for longer. The thick, yellowish milk (colostrum) produced for the first few days following birth is particularly rich in antibodies.

Premature babies are at higher risk of developing an illness because their immune systems are not as strong and they have not had as many antibodies passed to them.

As newborn immunity is only temporary, it is important to begin childhood immunisationswhen your baby is two months old. This applies to babies who are either premature or full-term.

The first immunisation, given when your baby is two months old, includes whooping coughand Hib (haemophilus influenza type b) because immunity to these conditions decreases the fastest. Passive immunity to measles, mumps and rubella usually lasts for about a year, which is why the MMR vaccine is given just after your baby's first birthday.

The immunity depends on the antibodies.

You REALLY should do some research before making an ass of yourself.

 

[Magical Realist]

Unless there is a legitimate medical reason not to be vaccinated, the unvaccinated should be publicly demonized and shamed.

And since medical record

So getting a $100,000 donation for an organization will cloud the judgment of doctors who don't benefit directly, but Andrew Wakefield's $43 million a year business venture could not POSSIBLY have influenced him to badmouth his competition. Perfect Magical logic.

The organization Autism Speaks has a clear and concise answer for this:
=======================
Over the last two decades, extensive research has asked whether there is any link between childhood vaccinations and autism. The results of this research are clear: Vaccines do not cause autism. We urge that all children be fully vaccinated.

Rob Ring
Chief Science Officer, Autism Speaks
=======================

Autism Speaks has come under fire and lost board members over funding research on vaccine-related causes of autism. So they have to toe the line if they are going to continue getting donations. Nobody would support an antivaxxer autism charity.

 

[Kittamaru]

What should we tell all the mothers of kids who were injected with thimerosal containing vaccines prior to 1998? What should we tell the ones who had their kids injected with mult-dose flu vaccines. What should we tell the ones in other countries where thimerasol is still widely used in vaccines?

And then ofcourse thimerosol isn't the only problem. There's the aluminum adjuvants that replaced the thimerasol in vaccines and are now pushing our children's aluminum threholds to toxic levels. I've cited several papers on this. I can find more if you don't like those.

Probably the same thing we tell people who were exposed to asbestos between the 1950's and the 1990's in the construction industry.
Probably the same thing we tell people who were exposed to lead from lead paints between the 1930's and the 1970's.
Probably the same thing we tell people who smoked before the 70's, when we learned just how harmful it is.
Probably the same thing you would tell someone who's headaches, seizures, and other ailments were cured by drilling a FUCKING HOLE IN THEIR HEAD (a process known as Trepanning)

 

[Kittamaru]

Magical Realist - either

A) Support your "statistics" with citations and evidence (which will be difficult since it's pretty clear you pulled them out of your ass)
B) Apologize and retract your incorrect and/or knowingly falsified statements.

Those are your options... you are NOT dodging this. You made the bed, now you can damn well lay in it! I'm giving you until 9pm EST tonight (roughly an hour and a half from now)

 

[billvon]

What should we tell all the mothers of kids who were injected with thimerosal containing vaccines prior to 1998?

"Good news! There is zero evidence that thimerosal has ever caused autism in children."

What should we tell the ones who had their kids injected with mult-dose flu vaccines. What should we tell the ones in other countries where thimerasol is still widely used in vaccines?

"Good news! There is zero evidence that thimerosal has ever caused autism in children."

 

[Magical Realist]

Magical Realist - either

A) Support your "statistics" with citations and evidence (which will be difficult since it's pretty clear you pulled them out of your ass)
B) Apologize and retract your incorrect and/or knowingly falsified statements.

Those are your options... you are NOT dodging this. You made the bed, now you can damn well lay in it!

LOL! Your mod hat threats are a joke. Everyone knows this. You're not going to "win" this debate by banning or cesspooling like you usually do. Here's the stats on measles deaths per the CDC. It's even less than I thought:

"If we accept the CDC's figure of 450 deaths per year associated with measles and about 4.2 million live births per year, then for approximately every 9300 children born, one would die with measles. Official literature confirms this approximate figure and even states that in industrial countries "the measles fatality rate is 1 per 10,000 cases..."[4] It is possible and likely closer to reality to consider the mortality-case ratio was one death per 1000 cases but only one child in 10 had measles, an equivalent way of looking at the "1 per 10,000" mentioned above. The CDC maintains that in the vaccine era (1985) the case mortality was .2% (.002) which is another way of saying 1 in 500. Low mortality-case ratios (1 or 2 deaths per 1000 cases) support our contention that measles incidence declined before the introduction of measles vaccines."====http://www.vaclib.org/intro/measles-intro.htm#health

During the last three months of pregnancy, antibodies from the mother are passed to her unborn baby through the placenta.

This type of immunity is called passive immunity because the baby has been given antibodies rather than making them itself. Antibodies are special proteins that the immune system produces to help protect the body against bacteria and viruses.

The amount and type of antibodies passed to the baby depends on the mother's immunity. For example, if the mother has had chickenpox, she will have developed immunity against the condition and some of the chickenpox antibodies will be passed to the baby. However, if the mother has not had chickenpox, the baby will not be protected.

Immunity in newborn babies is only temporary and starts to decrease after the first few weeks or months. Breast milk also contains antibodies, which means that babies who are breastfed have passive immunity for longer. The thick, yellowish milk (colostrum) produced for the first few days following birth is particularly rich in antibodies.

Sounds like you confirmed exactly what I said. Babies too young to be vaccinated are protected by the antibodies of their vaccinated mother. Thanks for proving that.

Here's a study establishing long term passive immunity from mother's milk:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9892025

 

[Kittamaru]

LOL! Your mod hat threats are a joke. Everyone knows this. You're not going to "win" this debate by banning or cesspooling like you usually do. Here's the stats on measles deaths per the CDC. It's even less than I thought:

So you are refusing to back up your made up statistics, and use a link to an anti-vaccination website that, in order to "support" its claim, links TO ITSELF and then to another website claiming you can cure measles with Vitamin C...

Children do not die from measles and when death occurs with measles, one or more of the three true causes of death were present. Children who suffer with severe cases of measles, typically, are deficient in vitamin A and vitamin C.[2] Children with measles are also typically medically mistreated by suppression of their fevers. Fever is a natural mechanism which restores health and thus fevers should not routinely be suppressed. Also, children should not be forced to eat when not hungry, especially at a time when the body needs to direct its energy into healing rather than digestion. When a child dies with measles in developing countries it is likely than nutrition was the key missing element. In developed countries, the key is usually that there coexisted a much more serious underlying disease condition such as cancer although a deficiency of vitamins A and C often play a role. For more information about natural health and treatment of acute diseases see: [3]

So... apparently your "evidence" is suggesting that measles CANNOT kill... AND YOU ARE CLAIMING THIS IS PER THE CDC...

yet, from the CDC's OWN WEBSITE:
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/

Measles can be serious, especially for children younger than 5 years old. It can lead to pneumonia, encephalitis (swelling of the brain), and death. Learn how you can protect your child from measles.

Your intellectual dishonesty know NO BOUNDS, does it Magical Realist!?

 

[Trippy]

Apparently Magical Realist is afraid of addressing science again.

Lemme guess, still haven't found the ten minutes to watch that video yet?

 

[Kittamaru]

Apparently Magical Realist is afraid of addressing science again.

Lemme guess, still haven't found the ten minutes to watch that video yet?

Of course not - he is bound and determined to cherry pick sources that "support" his position, even if they are factually incorrect or outright lies!

 

[billvon]

Apparently Magical Realist is afraid of addressing science again.

Science is so inconvenient when it conflicts with your conspiracy theories.

Good article on the risk posed by the anti-vaxxers in another country below. Perhaps MagicalRealist will LOL LOL over the deaths.
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Measles Elimination Efforts and 2008–2011 Outbreak, France

Abstract
Although few measles cases were reported in France during 2006 and 2007, suggesting the country might have been close to eliminating the disease, a dramatic outbreak of >20,000 cases occurred during 2008–2011. Adolescents and young adults accounted for more than half of cases; median patient age increased from 12 to 16 years during the outbreak. The highest incidence rate was observed in children <1 year of age, reaching 135 cases/100,000 infants during the last epidemic wave. Almost 5,000 patients were hospitalized, including 1,023 for severe pneumonia and 27 for encephalitis/myelitis; 10 patients died. More than 80% of the cases during this period occurred in unvaccinated persons, reflecting heterogeneous vaccination coverage, where pockets of susceptible persons still remain. Although vaccine coverage among children improved, convincing susceptible young adults to get vaccinated remains a critical issue if the target to eliminate the disease by 2015 is to be met.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

 

[Randwolf]

@MR...

I apologize if this has been asked in your thread, but are you personal about this issue? Meaning if you had kids, would you have them vaccinated?