Vaccine related autism study?

Magical Realist

Magical Realist

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I'm fully on board with getting kids vaccinated. But here is a recent study that raises concern. What do you think about this? Is it legitimate science?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535


Here's a list of 22 more studies supporting the vaccine/autism link:

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html

I'm not trying to spread pseudoscience here, but I wanted to know both sides of the argument. In light of these findings, is it any wonder that some parents are opting out of vaccines? I mean they're just trying to protect their children, right?
 
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Magical Realist said:
In light of these findings, is it any wonder that some parents are opting out of vaccines? I mean they're just trying to protect their children, right?
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That makes as much sense as worrying about child kidnappings from a neighborhood park, and thus making your children play in a busy street instead. You're just trying to protect your children, right?

Neil Degrasse Tyson put it well:
"Not enough of our society is trained how to understand and interpret quantitative information. This activity is a centerpiece of science literacy to which we should all strive -- the future health, wealth, and security of our democracy depend on it. Until that is achieved, we are at risk of making under-informed decisions that affect ourselves, our communities, our country, and even the world."
 
That makes as much sense as worrying about child kidnappings from a neighborhood park, and thus making your children play in a busy street instead. You're just trying to protect your children, right?
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If parents believed their children could contract autism from vaccines, ofcourse they're trying to protect their children by avoiding vaccines. You think they WANT their children to get sick? No.. It's a matter of lesser evils. Measles or autism? Which would you opt for?

Here's some more studies. What are we to make of these?

Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella
(MMR) and MBP autoantibodies.

….over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component
thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.

Serological association of measles virus and human herpes virus-6 with brain auto-antibodies in autism

This study is the first to report an association between virus serology and brain autoantibody in autism; it supports the hypothesis that a virus-induced autoimmune response may play a causal role in autism

Hypothesis: conjugate vaccines may predispose children to autism spectrum disorders

Conjugate vaccines fundamentally change the manner in which the immune systems of infants and young children function by deviating their immune responses to the targeted carbohydrate antigens from a state of hypo-responsiveness to a robust B2 B cell mediated response.

This period of hypo-responsiveness to carbohydrate antigens coincides with the intense myelination process in infants and young children, and conjugate vaccines may have disrupted evolutionary forces that favored early brain development over the need to protect infants and young children from capsular bacteria.

Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children
and adolescents in the United States.

The odds of having a history of asthma was twice as great among vaccinated subjects than among unvaccinated subjects The odds of having had any allergy-related respiratory symptom in the past 12 months was 63% greater among vaccinated subjects than unvaccinated subjects The associations between vaccination and subsequent allergies and symptoms were greatest among children aged 5 through 10 years.

Neurological Complications of Pertussis Immunization

Review is made of 107 cases of neurological complications of pertussis inoculation reported in the literature. The early onset of neurological symptoms was characteristic, with changes of consciousness and convulsions as the most striking features. The question of aetiology is considered and contraindications are discussed….as is the grave danger of further inoculations when a previous one has produced any suggestion of a neurological reaction.

Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002.

Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with the hepatitis B vaccine prior to 1999 (from vaccination record) had a threefold higher risk for parental report of autism diagnosis compared to boys not vaccinated as neonates during that same time period. Nonwhite boys bore a greater risk.

Aluminum Studies:

Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?

Our results show that: (i) children from countries with the highest ASD prevalence appear to have the highest exposure to Al from vaccines; (ii) the increase in exposure to Al adjuvants significantly correlates with the increase in ASD prevalence in the United States observed over the last two decades;

and (iii) a significant correlation exists between the amounts of Al administered to preschool children and the current prevalence of ASD in seven Western
countries, particularly at 3-4 months of age.

Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration.

…A second series of experiments was conducted on mice injected with six doses of aluminum hydroxide. Behavioural analyses in these mice revealed
significant impairments in a number of motor functions as well as diminished spatial memory capacity.

Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants: Are they Safe?

Experimental research, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences. click for entire study

Thimerosal studies:

Integrating experimental (in vitro and in vivo) neurotoxicity studies of low-dose thimerosal relevant to vaccines.

There is a need to interpret neurotoxic studies to help deal with uncertainties surrounding pregnant mothers, newborns and young children who must receive repeated doses of Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs).

Information extracted from studies indicates that: (a) activity of low doses of Thimerosal against isolated human and animal brain cells was found in all studies and is consistent with Hg neurotoxicity; (b) the neurotoxic effect of ethylmercury has not been studied with co-occurring adjuvant-Al in TCVs; (c) animal studies have shown that exposure to Thimerosal-Hg can lead to accumulation of inorganic Hg in brain, and that (d) doses relevant to TCV exposure possess the potential to affect human neuro-development.

Neurodevelopmental disorders following thimerosal-containing childhood immunizations: a follow-up analysis.

“The present study provides additional epidemiological evidence supporting previous epidemiological, clinical and experimental evidence that administration of thimerosal-containing vaccines in the United States resulted in a significant number of children developing NDs.”

Neonatal administration of thimerosal causes persistent changes in mu opioid receptors in the rat brain

“These data document that exposure to thimerosal during early postnatal life produces lasting alterations in the densities of brain opioid receptors along with other neuropathological changes, which may disturb brain development.”

Persistent behavioral impairments and alterations of brain dopamine system after early postnatal administration of thimerosal in rats.

“These data document that early postnatal THIM administration causes lasting neurobehavioral impairments and neurochemical alterations in the brain, dependent on dose and sex. If similar changes occur in THIM/mercurial-exposed children, they could contribute do neurodevelopmental disorders.”

Maternal Thimerosal Exposure Results in Aberrant Cerebellar Oxidative Stress, Thyroid Hormone Metabolism, and Motor Behaviorin Rat Pups; Sex- and Strain-Dependent Effects.

Thimerosal exposure also resulted in a significant increase in cerebellar levels of the oxidative stress marker 3-nitrotyrosine…. This coincided with an increased (47.0%) expression of a gene negatively regulated by T3,… Our data thus demonstrate a negative neurodevelopmental impact of perinatal thimerosal exposure.

Administration of thimerosal to infant rats increases overflow of glutamate and aspartate in the prefrontal cortex: protective role ofdehydroepiandrosterone sulfate.

Thimerosal, a mercury-containing vaccine preservative, is a suspected factor in the etiology of neurodevelopmental disorders. We previously showed that its administration to infant rats causes behavioral, neurochemical and neuropathological abnormalities similar to those present in autism.



Sources:

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/ca...there-is-no-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

http://www.regardingcaroline.com/pubmed

http://www.jpeds.com/content/JPEDSDeStefano

Here's hundreds of more studies establishing vaccine/autism linkage. Why are we not hearing about these?

http://www.tacanow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/autism-studies-april-2008.pdf
 
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Interesting chart:

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Already told you. Almost everything you post I view as an insult to rational people. Evidence is your posting record.
 
Kristoffer said:
So me thinking you post total bs is trolling?
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You insulted me. Then you lied and said I insulted you. But you couldn't show me where. So yeah..that's typical trolling. So either move on, or show how these studies are in error. You're making a claim that they're all BS. Now support the claim.
 
I said I viewed your posts as insulting to any reasonable person. Didn't lie as that IS my view. And of course studies will show an increase in autism spectrums, simply because old timers didn't really recognize wtf was up.
 
Kristoffer said:
I said I viewed your posts as insulting to any reasonable person. Didn't lie as that IS my view. And of course studies will show an increase in autism spectrums, simply because old timers didn't really recognize wtf was up.
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So you have nothing to back up your claim that all these studies are BS. Just what I thought. Move along troll...
 
Are we sure that the producers of the vaccines aren't cutting corners? How often is the quality of the product checked? Are there contaminates in the vaccines?

Dont get me wrong, vaccines are very important, and are most likely safe, but can we really trust the companies that are producing them?

Could there simply have been an increase in autism diagnosis, with no link to vaccines?
 
zgmc said:
Are we sure that the producers of the vaccines aren't cutting corners? How often is the quality of the product checked? Are there contaminates in the vaccines?

Dont get me wrong, vaccines are very important, and are most likely safe, but can we really trust the companies that are producing them?

Could there simply have been an increase in autism diagnosis, with no link to vaccines?
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Good questions. You have to question the party line being pushed by mainstream media and scientists who are both funded by Big Pharma. That there's no correlation between vaccine mercury levels and autism. And yet many studies show otherwise. It wouldn't be the first time science and Big Pharma were in bed together. Remember Thalidomide and the little armless babies? Ofcourse that was back in the 50's, but hey..science majority always rules. Right?
 
Magical Realist said:
If parents believed their children could contract autism from vaccines, ofcourse they're trying to protect their children by avoiding vaccines. You think they WANT their children to get sick? No.. It's a matter of lesser evils. Measles or autism? Which would you opt for?
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Again, that's a fool's choice. Would you rather your children starve to death or get a little fat? Probably get a little fat. But if that means you feed him as much McDonald's he can eat at every sitting to "keep him from starving to death" then you are much more likely to kill him than if you fed him less of something else. Even if it makes you worry less.

The facts simply do not support the idea that there is any significant risk of autism due to vaccines compared to the risk of death through contagion. The fact that this is even being discussed is a sad commentary on the state of science education in the US, the irresponsibility of the media and the criminal actions of at least one doctor.
 
This form of treatment remind me of some movie clips, drug treatment for patients with calm down, but make them like the living dead. Could this vaccine let those people with autism alive in spirit?
 
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