Tiassa said:But, you know, a hundred people in a week? Nothin' to see here, folks. After all, as the NRA points out, the only solution is to have more people carrying guns in more places. Anything else, well, that's just making the problem worse.
Unbelievable. I posted the same idea tongue in cheek but it's sad when that's the best our gun advocate leadership can come up with as a "solution". Shoot yourself in the foot there NRA...And what a speech and solution that was.
Even die hard Republicans are having difficulty swallowing the total and utter crap spouted in that press conference.
Unbelievable. I posted the same idea tongue in cheek but it's sad when that's the best our gun advocate leadership can come up with as a "solution". Shoot yourself in the foot there NRA...
(And I enjoy hunting and target shooting. Wow.)
Oh I thought you had actually been serious...
Anywho, moving on..
It was his 'sighing' and the whole facade that made me laugh, while watching it. It was just so put on. And his whine about the way he feels the media portrayed the weapons involved. I normally do not like O'Donnell, but his response would have to be, by and large, the best.
However, it could be worse. Lets look at Charlotte Allen as a prime example. In reflecting about the massacre, she came out with a doozy:
Like most people, I’ve been thinking and thinking about the Sandy Hook massacre. I’ve even pored over a map of the school and its killing sites — and studied a timeline of the incident, which appears to have unfolded over about 20 minutes. I have three observations:
There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female. There didn’t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza’s knees. Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers. The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school’s public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms. But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak — but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.
Because a football tackle is apparently bulletproof.
I also like the way she insults the other teachers who died because they apparently did not fight back but instead were killed while they were trying to shield the children in their class.
She then goes on to explain how one can save one's self from a mass murderer with a semi-automatic. The advice amounted to running away, because apparently if they had run, Lanza would not have been able to target them and the other is to apparently crash tackle him..
Sorry for the confusion Bells. The NRA position is a fun fantasy in a juvenile sense but as a realistic proposal on national policy? I don't think so...Oh I thought you had actually been serious...
This is sick. And sickening. I'm sorry, but I have to go with the gun advocates here. Meet force with force. Israel has it right. Robert A. Heinlein: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life" Arm the teachers or disarm everyone - which isn't going to happen. At least not in America, home of the brave... Disgusting.
I referenced my POV in a brief discussion with you here:Wow. An in depth reply to a rather flippant response from me.. My post was a foray into fantasy inspired primarily by the earlier reference to "Israel's answer". I know this would never even approach feasibility in the "real world" but the thought of armed Rambo teachers giving the what-for to would be assailants has a certain visceral appeal.
More realistic solutions would probably include education, psychological evaluations and harsher licensing procedures regulating US gun ownership. Unfortunately, the wild west attitude prevalent here precludes enactment of most sane proposals. We value our second amendment "rights" way more than children's lives - haven't you heard? This leaves the US in somewhat of a quandary. What sort of change would be politically feasible AND effective? None that I've heard lately. Stricter background checks? Licensing? Totally ineffective... Look at the case in point here - the shooter didn't even own the guns. It's nearly as easy to get a firearm "on the street" as it is to obtain marijuana. Either we physically and drastically reduce the sheer number of guns in the country or we address a society in which 85% of the populace is potentially armed at any given time. If it's the latter remember that 85% includes some seriously deranged people capable of just about anything. Shall we meet them with kindness and understanding? Or force on force? I don't have a clue and apparently much brighter minds than mine are at a loss as well. SOME sort of systemic change is due but I'm at a loss as to how to enact such. Might as well ponder "Why can't we all just get along?"
Hmmm... Kind of reminiscent of this post. The tax idea is good though. What about the political ramifications? Shall we write an open letter to our congressman?
Wow. What else would an American boy desire for a present? I never really looked at the problem in terms of sociologically ingrained philosophy before. I grew up around guns and hunting as a way of life. Later I encountered firearms in many different contexts and have experience with over twenty different rifles, shotguns and pistols. It only recently occurred to me that other countrys' cultures differed so extremely on this issue even though I have traveled extensively. If gun control works for others why not for us? The whole idea of bearing arms to protect the people from a government gone amok just doesn't hold water anymore. As someone else pointed out, one would need an arsenal of explosives, tanks, missiles and such to even think of this as a serious reason to uphold the second amendment. The days of muskets and militias are long gone.A pair of Hop-a-long boots and a pistol that shoots
Is the wish of Bonny and Ben
Dolls that will talk and go for a walk
Is the hope of Janice and Jenn
Yes, moving along...Anywho, moving on..
And women are defenseless creatures utterly dependent upon the "menfolk" to protect them. An anachronism if ever I heard one.It was his 'sighing' and the whole facade that made me laugh, while watching it. It was just so put on. And his whine about the way he feels the media portrayed the weapons involved. I normally do not like O'Donnell, but his response would have to be, by and large, the best.
However, it could be worse. Lets look at Charlotte Allen as a prime example. In reflecting about the massacre, she came out with a doozy:
Like most people, I�ve been thinking and thinking about the Sandy Hook massacre. I�ve even pored over a map of the school and its killing sites � and studied a timeline of the incident, which appears to have unfolded over about 20 minutes. I have three observations:
There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K�6 school), all the personnel � the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the �reading specialist� � were female. There didn�t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza�s knees. Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers. The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school�s public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms. But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak � but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.
Because a football tackle is apparently bulletproof.
Right. I highly doubt she has any idea what combat is like. Correct me if I'm wrong.She then goes on to explain how one can save one's self from a mass murderer with a semi-automatic. The advice amounted to running away, because apparently if they had run, Lanza would not have been able to target them and the other is to apparently crash tackle him..
Are you trying to get on TV Asguard? Amazing the lengths people will go to for that dubious honor...Hell maybe we could fund it with a reality TV show "survivor US" where we drop willing contestants into the US to see if they can survive a week there...
My reply is kicking around the Mod queue somewhere. Could you do me a favor and see if it can get approved Bells?Anywho, moving on..
Which sub-forum was it in? I can post it in the backroom and get the mods to fix it.My reply is kicking around the Mod queue somewhere. Could you do me a favor and see if it can get approved Bells?
No big deal. I meant to post it here but perhaps I screwed up somehow. I'll try again...Which sub-forum was it in? I can post it in the backroom and get the mods to fix it.
I thought you meant the post in World Events that I had responded to you there.
Sorry for the confusion Bells. The NRA position is a fun fantasy in a juvenile sense but as a realistic proposal on national policy? I don't think so...Oh I thought you had actually been serious...
This is sick. And sickening. I'm sorry, but I have to go with the gun advocates here. Meet force with force. Israel has it right. Robert A. Heinlein: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life" Arm the teachers or disarm everyone - which isn't going to happen. At least not in America, home of the brave... Disgusting.
Wow. An in depth reply to a rather flippant response from me.. My post was a foray into fantasy inspired primarily by the earlier reference to "Israel's answer". I know this would never even approach feasibility in the "real world" but the thought of armed Rambo teachers giving the what-for to would be assailants has a certain visceral appeal.
More realistic solutions would probably include education, psychological evaluations and harsher licensing procedures regulating US gun ownership. Unfortunately, the wild west attitude prevalent here precludes enactment of most sane proposals. We value our second amendment "rights" way more than children's lives - haven't you heard? This leaves the US in somewhat of a quandary. What sort of change would be politically feasible AND effective? None that I've heard lately. Stricter background checks? Licensing? Totally ineffective... Look at the case in point here - the shooter didn't even own the guns. It's nearly as easy to get a firearm "on the street" as it is to obtain marijuana. Either we physically and drastically reduce the sheer number of guns in the country or we address a society in which 85% of the populace is potentially armed at any given time. If it's the latter remember that 85% includes some seriously deranged people capable of just about anything. Shall we meet them with kindness and understanding? Or force on force? I don't have a clue and apparently much brighter minds than mine are at a loss as well. SOME sort of systemic change is due but I'm at a loss as to how to enact such. Might as well ponder "Why can't we all just get along?"
Hmmm... Kind of reminiscent of this post. The tax idea is good though. What about the political ramifications? Shall we write an open letter to our congressman?
Wow. What else would an American boy desire for a present? I never really looked at the problem in terms of sociologically ingrained philosophy before. I grew up around guns and hunting as a way of life. Later I encountered firearms in many different contexts and have experience with over twenty different rifles, shotguns and pistols. It only recently occurred to me that other countrys' cultures differed so extremely on this issue even though I have traveled extensively. If gun control works for others why not for us? The whole idea of bearing arms to protect the people from a government gone amok just doesn't hold water anymore. As someone else pointed out, one would need an arsenal of explosives, tanks, missiles and such to even think of this as a serious reason to uphold the second amendment. The days of muskets and militias are long gone.A pair of Hop-a-long boots and a pistol that shoots
Is the wish of Bonny and Ben
Dolls that will talk and go for a walk
Is the hope of Janice and Jenn
Yes, lets.Anywho, moving on..
Yes. And women are apparently defenseless creatures utterly dependent upon the "menfolk" to protect them. An anachronism if ever I heard one.It was his 'sighing' and the whole facade that made me laugh, while watching it. It was just so put on. And his whine about the way he feels the media portrayed the weapons involved. I normally do not like O'Donnell, but his response would have to be, by and large, the best.
However, it could be worse. Lets look at Charlotte Allen as a prime example. In reflecting about the massacre, she came out with a doozy:
Like most people, I’ve been thinking and thinking about the Sandy Hook massacre. I’ve even pored over a map of the school and its killing sites — and studied a timeline of the incident, which appears to have unfolded over about 20 minutes. I have three observations:
There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female. There didn’t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza’s knees. Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers. The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school’s public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms. But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak — but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.
Because a football tackle is apparently bulletproof.
Right. I highly doubt she has any idea what combat is like and therefore is completely unqualified to gauge how she would react under the circumstances, let alone advise anyone else. Correct me if I'm wrong.She then goes on to explain how one can save one's self from a mass murderer with a semi-automatic. The advice amounted to running away, because apparently if they had run, Lanza would not have been able to target them and the other is to apparently crash tackle him..
Here in this thread. I tried again but got the same response. My post contains links to Sci threads which always seems to queue to the Mods.Which sub-forum was it in? I can post it in the backroom and get the mods to fix it.
I thought you meant the post in World Events that I had responded to you there.
Okay, thank you.Here in this thread. I tried again but got the same response. My post contains links to Sci threads which always seems to queue to the Mods.
Sorry for the confusion Bells. The NRA position is a fun fantasy in a juvenile sense but as a realistic proposal on national policy? I don't think so...Oh I thought you had actually been serious...
This is sick. And sickening. I'm sorry, but I have to go with the gun advocates here. Meet force with force. Israel has it right. Robert A. Heinlein: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life" Arm the teachers or disarm everyone - which isn't going to happen. At least not in America, home of the brave... Disgusting.
Wow. An in depth reply to a rather flippant response from me.. My post was a foray into fantasy inspired primarily by the earlier reference to "Israel's answer". I know this would never even approach feasibility in the "real world" but the thought of armed Rambo teachers giving the what-for to would be assailants has a certain visceral appeal.
More realistic solutions would probably include education, psychological evaluations and harsher licensing procedures regulating US gun ownership. Unfortunately, the wild west attitude prevalent here precludes enactment of most sane proposals. We value our second amendment "rights" way more than children's lives - haven't you heard? This leaves the US in somewhat of a quandary. What sort of change would be politically feasible AND effective? None that I've heard lately. Stricter background checks? Licensing? Totally ineffective... Look at the case in point here - the shooter didn't even own the guns. It's nearly as easy to get a firearm "on the street" as it is to obtain marijuana. Either we physically and drastically reduce the sheer number of guns in the country or we address a society in which 85% of the populace is potentially armed at any given time. If it's the latter remember that 85% includes some seriously deranged people capable of just about anything. Shall we meet them with kindness and understanding? Or force on force? I don't have a clue and apparently much brighter minds than mine are at a loss as well. SOME sort of systemic change is due but I'm at a loss as to how to enact such. Might as well ponder "Why can't we all just get along?"
Hmmm... Kind of reminiscent of this post. The tax idea is good though. What about the political ramifications? Shall we write an open letter to our congressman?
Wow. What else would an American boy desire for a present? I never really looked at the problem in terms of sociologically ingrained philosophy before. I grew up around guns and hunting as a way of life. Later I encountered firearms in many different contexts and have experience with over twenty different rifles, shotguns and pistols. It only recently occurred to me that other countrys' cultures differed so extremely on this issue even though I have traveled extensively. If gun control works for others why not for us? The whole idea of bearing arms to protect the people from a government gone amok just doesn't hold water anymore. As someone else pointed out, one would need an arsenal of explosives, tanks, missiles and such to even think of this as a serious reason to uphold the second amendment. The days of muskets and militias are long gone.A pair of Hop-a-long boots and a pistol that shoots
Is the wish of Bonny and Ben
Dolls that will talk and go for a walk
Is the hope of Janice and Jenn
Yes, lets.Anywho, moving on..
Yes. And women are defenseless creatures utterly dependent upon the "menfolk" to protect them. An anachronism if ever I heard one.It was his 'sighing' and the whole facade that made me laugh, while watching it. It was just so put on. And his whine about the way he feels the media portrayed the weapons involved. I normally do not like O'Donnell, but his response would have to be, by and large, the best.
However, it could be worse. Lets look at Charlotte Allen as a prime example. In reflecting about the massacre, she came out with a doozy:
Like most people, I’ve been thinking and thinking about the Sandy Hook massacre. I’ve even pored over a map of the school and its killing sites — and studied a timeline of the incident, which appears to have unfolded over about 20 minutes. I have three observations:
There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female. There didn’t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza’s knees. Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers. The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school’s public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms. But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak — but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.
Because a football tackle is apparently bulletproof.
Right. I highly doubt she has any idea what combat is like and therefore has no way to predict how she or others would react under fire. Correct me if I'm wrong.She then goes on to explain how one can save one's self from a mass murderer with a semi-automatic. The advice amounted to running away, because apparently if they had run, Lanza would not have been able to target them and the other is to apparently crash tackle him..
Right on! Over and over again we hear the same thing. Shooter in theater carried an automatic weapon. Shooter in mall carried an automatic weapon. Shooter in elementary school carried an automatic weapon. Can't we connect the dots here? How long will it be till we ban these instruments of murder?
They can elsewhere. They aren't. How many times do I need point that out?Because they can...
Anticipation of responses to the NRA advocates. It isn't terribly difficult to understand Tiassa.And why are you speaking like a hick?
Afghanistan....And realistically, if there is ever a need for a revolution in the future, what chance do you think a semi-automatic weapon will have against a State that has nukes and an overly well equipped defence force? Sure, you had a chance when the Constitution was being drafted, but in today's society, it is hardly a realistic expectation to be holding onto.
Bells said:
Even die hard Republicans are having difficulty swallowing the total and utter crap spouted in that press conference.