U.S. Foreign policy

The Pacific theater of World War 2 were the result of two Expansionist, Imperialistic nations vying for control of the Pacific Islands. No one is to blame for starting the war, as it was inevitable that it would begin. The attack on Pearl Harbor was an attack on a military base, thus it was legitimate considering US involvement in Pacific resistance against Japan, support for China, and minor skirmishes between America and Japan.
 
diamond said:
Thousands of Kashmiris have died at the hand of the brutal conflict in Kashmir, those who support the occupation have no human decency or compassion. Kashmiri people are lambs left to the slaughter of the Indian military. I simply do not understand that hatred and violence can be so much in people outside the region, living in the West, that they oppose freedom for a people because they are Muslim. There is no excuse for this.
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If you were arguing for the independence of Kashmir, that would be one thing. You are arguing for the annexation of Kashmir by Pakistan, apparently on the grounds that the majority of the people in Kashmir are Muslim.

That is what people oppose. Very few Westerners oppose freedom for Kashmir on any grounds, let alone that Kashmiris are Muslim (I don't know even now, having not looked it up, what percentages of what parts of Kashmir have mostly Muslim residents ).
 
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I know this is old, but I'll respond to it anyway.

Granted, The japanese caught you by surprise, granted they had sea superiority and speed in the pacific. But aside from those few bombs on continental US, Were the japanese ever in a serious position to take and hold the US ? They may have taken one island, and the pacific islands, but the heart of the US, the cities of Chicago, L.A, New York, were all safe and sound. Whislt the British, had London under constant attack, and the threat of invasion from germany was very, very real.

The answer to that question is no.
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Challenger, have you ever driven up the coast of California? I take it you have not. Because if you had, you would have seen fortifications built after the attack on Japan all up and down the Western Coast of the United States. They were build in anticipation of a invasion from Japan. The Alaskan Highway was built after the attack on Pearl Harbor in anticipation of an invasion by Japan. And it was more than one island taken from the United States by Japan.
 
DiamondHearts said:
The Pacific theater of World War 2 were the result of two Expansionist, Imperialistic nations vying for control of the Pacific Islands. No one is to blame for starting the war, as it was inevitable that it would begin. The attack on Pearl Harbor was an attack on a military base, thus it was legitimate considering US involvement in Pacific resistance against Japan, support for China, and minor skirmishes between America and Japan.
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The source of the confilct between Japan and the United States that led to the war was Japan's brutal conduct of the war against China where large numbers of folks were raped and murdered and forced into slavery. The United States, in protest stoped selling military materials to Japan. How is that unethical? How is it legitimate to attack a country without warning (declaration of war) as a response of their refusal to trade with a country that invades and brutalizes it's neighbors?

And before you get started, India did not invade Kashmir. They were petitioned by the leadership of Kashmir to become a part of India...which was in response to insurgents coming into the country from Pakistan.
 
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Challenger, have you ever driven up the coast of California? I take it you have not. Because if you had, you would have seen fortifications built after the attack on Japan all up and down the Western Coast of the United States. They were build in anticipation of a invasion from Japan. The Alaskan Highway was built after the attack on Pearl Harbor in anticipation of an invasion by Japan. And it was more than one island taken from the United States by Japan.
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Compared to Britain, the threat of invasion was minimal. Since I'm using that as an example, of "our backs to the wall", and the knife at the throat being the huge German forces poised across the river.. If hitler had not launched operation Barbossa, The english would have been doomed.
 
Well Challenger, lucky for you Brits the United States choose to help you guys out and put our major emphasis on Europe first...while continuing to fight Japan in the Pacific. When our feet were to the fire, we helped you first before helping ourselves. The citizens of the United States felt very threatened by Japan. And Japan felt like the US would be a pushover...just like Bin Laden and his crowd.
 
Challenger78: we were at war with Japan because, not only did they invade Alaska and the Philippines, but they invaded in allies in Britain, China, and the Netherlands. The Japanese occupying forces brutally persecuted their subjects, especially the Chinese. It wasn't just American territorial integrity that was at stake. It was freedom worldwide.
 
Japanese were just as vicious to their subjects as Americans were to Native Americans and Natives of Hawaii. Both expansionist empires were cruel to their people.

Just as India is cruel to Kashmiri people and suppress Kashmiri peoples aspirations for freedom. In the end, it is not India, Pakistan, or Americans who will decide their fate, it is Kashmiri populace. Kashmiris have petitioned Pakistan to help end the brutal occupation, hence it is the will of Kashmir which is with Pakistan in conflict.

Education is key. Westerners have access to information and computers, there is no excuse for ignorance on this matter.

Ask any Kashmiri person you know, especially if you are British, as many Kashmiri people in England.
 
DiamondHearts said:
Japanese were just as vicious to their subjects as Americans were to Native Americans and Natives of Hawaii. Both expansionist empires were cruel to their people.
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That is an idiotic statement that shows you know nothing about WWII in east Asia. Try reading Iris Chang's Rape of Nanking. An account of the worst atrocity in history, committed by the Japanese. When the Imperial Army invaded China's capital city of Nanking, 90,000 Chinese soldiers were captured. The Japanese murdered all 90,000 POWs. They then proceeded to terrorize the city. They killed any man with calluses on his hands because it supposedly proved he was a soldier in hiding. They raped about 50,000 women, and often made fathers rape their daughters or sons rape their mothers. They tortured civilians in the most cruel and inhuman ways possible - they would blindfold live men and use them for bayonet practice, they would douse people in kerosene and light them on fire, they would shove lit dynamite into people's body parts and wait for it to explode, they would bury people waist-deep or neck-deep in the ground and have their dogs maul them, or run over them in vehicles. They would cut open the bellies of pregnant women and rip out the fetus, killing it before the mother's own eyes. They would hold contests to see who could kill the most Chinese in a set amount of time. After just three weeks, they had killed 370,000 civilians and 90,000 prisoners of war for no reason except for racism and spite. So tell me...what did America do that remotely compared to that?
 
Due to the lack of education and moderation on this forum, personal attacks have become rather common. It is a great way to gain legitimacy without actually debating the subject.

It is rather educational to me that you are supporting Buffalo Roam in his statement, which seems paradoxical to me considering his history of pure, vile hatred against Muslims and other Non-American people on this forum. I'm not asking you to denounce him, but your support of him seems telling of where your own prejudices lie.

Denying people freedom and peace because of their religion is a crime.
 
DH, no offense but can you spend more time reading and doing research. Read all sources and draw conclusions based on numerous sources. Maybe then people here will take you seriously.
 
I don't expect Republicans to agree with me. Rather I expect the opposite.

I'm not worried about what you people think, as I have lived in Kashmir for years. I know what I am talking about. Whereas, many people in the US, but particularly Republicans, simply do not know about Kashmir.

One day on Wikipedia does not make you an expert, no offense.
 
Please read 1887 Constitution of Kingdom of Hawaii (aka Bayonets Treaty). The US effectively forced Hawaii to become a vassal state. 75% of Hawaii's population could not vote.

America was no saint in WW2. Japanese were very oppressive, but the US also committed many crimes.
 
I am not nor was i ever a Republican. I am not arguing with you about Kashmir but on the many other topics you post to where you seem to lack any ability to see both sides of an issue.
 
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DiamondHearts said:
Due to the lack of education and moderation on this forum, personal attacks have become rather common. It is a great way to gain legitimacy without actually debating the subject.

It is rather educational to me that you are supporting Buffalo Roam in his statement, which seems paradoxical to me considering his history of pure, vile hatred against Muslims and other Non-American people on this forum. I'm not asking you to denounce him, but your support of him seems telling of where your own prejudices lie.

Denying people freedom and peace because of their religion is a crime.
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Diamond I should hope that my support of Buffalo would be educational to you. If you read our postings, you will find sometimes I agree with Buffalo and sometimes we disagree. It is not all or the other. Buffalo does not hate Muslims. I do not hate Muslims. I have supported Muslims when I think they are right and I do not support them when I think they are wrong. Just because you are Muslim does not make your right one hundred percent of the time. And just because someone is non Muslim does not make them Republican or wrong one hundred percent of the time.

Your capacity to ignore truth is amazing. Your capacity to argue with supporting documentation and fact is equally amazing. I suggest you listen to what I and others in this thread have told you on several occasions. An honest and open debate and review of facts will serve you better than just regurtating inflamatory rhetoric you recieve from other biased sources.
 
joepistole said:
Buffalo does not hate Muslims.
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What planet do you live on?

Please click on his username and view his recent posts, almost all of which are targeting Muslims and attempting to increase racism and prejudice against all Muslims.

joepistole said:
I do not hate Muslims. I have supported Muslims when I think they are right and I do not support them when I think they are wrong. Just because you are Muslim does not make your right one hundred percent of the time. And just because someone is non Muslim does not make them Republican or wrong one hundred percent of the time.
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Explain to me then why you deny legitimacy to Kashmiri people's fight for freedom. The only difference I see between Kashmir and other places, like Tibet, are the religious background of people. Both people deserve freedom, but one is being denied because of religious affiliation.

I believe I am correct on the Kashmir issue, as Kashmir is in my blood and veins. I have lived in Kashmir, and the heart of Kashmir resides within me. I have had extensive discussion on Kashmir with fellow Kashmiris, which obviously you have not.

You are wrong about Kashmir. If you don't agree, I don't care because your opinion is meaningless to me.

joepistole said:
Your capacity to ignore truth is amazing. Your capacity to argue with supporting documentation and fact is equally amazing. I suggest you listen to what I and others in this thread have told you on several occasions. An honest and open debate and review of facts will serve you better than just regurtating inflamatory rhetoric you recieve from other biased sources.
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You have never proven anything. The US is involved in giving legitimacy to India's claim to Kashmir by declaring the resistance as terrorists because of their religious affiliation. I provided links in previous posts. The Indian military terrorists who butcher and abuse hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris are not terrorists, why is this?

This is a telling commentary of our times.

I don't wish to argue with you as you obviously do not know anything about Kashmir. It is rather more informative for me to argue with SAM, as she knows far more with you.

If I don't respond, I'm too busy to bother with you. Get over it.
 
DiamondHearts said:
Please read 1887 Constitution of Kingdom of Hawaii (aka Bayonets Treaty). The US effectively forced Hawaii to become a vassal state. 75% of Hawaii's population could not vote.

America was no saint in WW2. Japanese were very oppressive, but the US also committed many crimes.
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So tell me, at what point in the Hawaiian occupation did American soldiers rape, torture, and murder nearly 400,000 innocent civilians? No one ever said America was a saint, but it's never done anything comparable to what the Japanese did in their occupied territories.
 
DiamondHearts said:
What planet do you live on?

Please click on his username and view his recent posts, almost all of which are targeting Muslims and attempting to increase racism and prejudice against all Muslims.
Explain to me then why you deny legitimacy to Kashmiri people's fight for freedom. The only difference I see between Kashmir and other places, like Tibet, are the religious background of people. Both people deserve freedom, but one is being denied because of religious affiliation.
I believe I am correct on the Kashmir issue, as Kashmir is in my blood and veins. I have lived in Kashmir, and the heart of Kashmir resides within me. I have had extensive discussion on Kashmir with fellow Kashmiris, which obviously you have not.
You are wrong about Kashmir. If you don't agree, I don't care because your opinion is meaningless to me.
You have never proven anything. The US is involved in giving legitimacy to India's claim to Kashmir by declaring the resistance as terrorists because of their religious affiliation. I provided links in previous posts. The Indian military terrorists who butcher and abuse hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris are not terrorists, why is this?
This is a telling commentary of our times.
I don't wish to argue with you as you obviously do not know anything about Kashmir. It is rather more informative for me to argue with SAM, as she knows far more with you.
If I don't respond, I'm too busy to bother with you. Get over it.
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Diamond, I have proven everything I have said. And you have failed to produce one iota of proof. But it is meaningless to you because you have formed a bias, an emotional attachment. So facts are meaningless to you.

"Explain to me then why you deny legitimacy to Kashmiri people's fight for freedom" I never denied Kashmiri people have a right to self determination. Show me where I said that? You cannot, because I did not. I repeated the American position, that the issue of Kashmir should be peacefully resolved by all parties involved in the dispute.

The difference between Tibet and Kashmir is that Tibetian leadership is actively advocating for peace and armies are not shooting at each other nor terrorizing each other...big difference. That is why Tibet is getting more attention in the press. Now that is not the answer you want to hear because it does not cause people to froth at the mouth and want to go out and shoot someone...but that is the truth. People in the west do not want to be associated with a bunch of terrorists running around shooting each other.

Diamond, you go around attributing motives to others that simply may not, and in many cases, do not exist. When I was a kid I used to get very angry at a lot of folks because I thought they were doing things to be evil towards me. I have come to find out, at great emotional expense, that the motives I attributed to others where most often non existent. Once I came to that realization, things got a lot easier for me. And that is what I am trying to get across to you.
Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are evil. The motives that you attach to the actions of others are probably not real in most cases. I encourage you to open up to the thoughts and opinions of others. You think you know the truth. But maybe there is a world out there that you don't know and will never know unless you free yourself from the chains that ensnare your mind.

And Diamond, if I did not care about you. I would not be wasting my time responding to you.
 
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