U.S. Foreign policy

When you brought up Teddy Roosevelt it highlighted for me the declining fortunes of imperialism. I don't know if it would be appropriate for your presentation, Noone special, - but if you and your audience explored what the likely response would be if there were a Teddy Roosevelt pursuing blatantly imperialistic policies from the White House today, something might be learned about how times have changed, and about the trajectory of imperialistic policy.
 
Heh, Yeah that is what it reminded me of too. Ministry of Silly Walks

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reminded me of strutting peacocks, but it was fun to watch.
 
Diamond, I suggest you start reading more history and less propaganda. It will better serve you and others of your ilk. You need to grow up and take responsibility for your own faults. And you have a very over stated view of your importance. Suprise, the world does not revolve around you. As I said, Kashmir is of no interest to the United States. If I get your position, you think that the United States should not be friendly with anyone you dislike. Well, frankly, your ego greatly exceeds you. As I said, Kashmir is a matter for India and Pakistan to resolve. And frankly, I see no historical support for your positions, and you have failed to provide any...emotional fluff is no subsitute for fact and reality.

The United States is also home to a significant Islamic community. And guess what, miracles of miracles, we live together in peace. The United States attacked Afganistan because we were attacked. It was and remains a legitmate action. Iraq is another story. Our leadership lied to the people of the United States. And guess what, the citizens of the United States are removing the jerk and his party from office. Just like you should do if you are unhappy with your government.

Again you can always second guess what would and should have been. I think of Vietnam. Should the United States have ever become involved? Truman could have averted the whole war at one point. On its face, it appears Vietnam was a total waste. But maybe it was necessary. Maybe there was something that was learned. I caution you about being self righteous. I caution you about blaming others for your problems. Jesus is quoted as saying, before you complain about the the splinter in your neighbors eye, take the log out of your own. You need to look at yourself before you go after others.

I personally do not agree with United States policy in Israel. The Muslims of that area have legitimate issues. And Israel has not been fair. But murder and terrorism really play into the hands of your enemy. Now I have explained this to a number of Muslims, but it just goes over their heads. I expect the same with you. But never the less, I give it another try. Violence is not the answer to all problems. Emotional yelling and complaining is not the answer. YOU NEED TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY. DO NOT EXPECT THE UNITED STATES TO ARRIVE ON YOUR SHORES AND ENFORCE YOUR WILL UPON YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. YOU NEED TO SOLVE YOUR OWN PROBLEMS BY WORKING WITH EACH OTHER...NOT BY POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OR INSISTING THAT OTHERS DO WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO.

As a Republican America, I care little of what you think. Your views on Kashmir are of little consequence to me. You are preaching to me that I should understand the situation, but you should know that I have lived extensively in Kashmir and the Northern areas, so I have a thorough grasp of the situation.

You don't accept my viewpoints because of what you have been told. I have seen with my own eyes the anguish and sorrow of my brothers and sisters in Kashmir. I am in favor of bringing an end to the humiliation of my people. I don't care if you deny the legitimacy to the Kashmiri people to live free from occupation and death. Your opinion does not matter to me and never will.

I stand by my commitment that the struggle to liberate Kashmir is just and honorable and America has consistently interfered in the exercise of freedom by Kashmiris in favor of India's continued genocidal policy against the Kashmiris.

To you the Kashmiris mean nothing, but to me, one innocent Kashmiri child is worth more to me than the world and all it contains.

When there is injustice, it is the responsibility of honest people to say something.
 
Except for the Kashmiri Pundits eh? The ones who have been in Kashmir since before Islam?
 
and America has consistently interfered in the exercise of freedom by Kashmiris in favor of India's continued genocidal policy against the Kashmiris.
Did we not establish earlier that the USA's crime in Kashmir was doing nothing? The only reason that the USA should be mentioned regarding Kashmir is that the USA is the most powerful nation on Earth and should work for justice if it is going to claim to be working for Justice.

Why can't your rhetoric be nuanced enough to have the USA be the oppressor of Muslims in several nations and yet play no role in another place where Muslims are being oppressed? The US people don't know Kashmir exists. The people running US foreign policy don't care whether Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan but would prefer that the issue be peacefully settled because they would like to have both India and Pakistan as allies. President Bush does not hate Muslims but he must make Muslims scary to the US people because he can not follow the foreign policy of seeking world domination unless he can present the US people with a scary enemy. 9-11 regardless whether done by Al-Qaeda or Dick Cheney gave Bush and the Neocons what they needed as a pretext to invade Iraq. They wanted to Invade Iraq because having a puppet regime in Iraq was the best thing that they could do to advance their goal of world domination. They are fools.

You also sound like a fool when you say "America has consistently interfered in the exercise of freedom by Kashmiris". America has done nothing about Kashmir and you turn that into America interfering. What the USA has done that relates to Kashmir is to help pay for the Pakistani military. If I was looking for a US interference in Kashmir I would have to say the US has backed Pakistan. Words are cheap and putting some group on a list of terrorists does not mean anything if you are also giving money to the sponsors of the alleged terrorist group.



To you the Kashmiris mean nothing, but to me, one innocent Kashmiri child is worth more to me than the world and all it contains.

When there is injustice, it is the responsibility of honest people to say something.

If they don't say anything are they interfering? The biggest injustice in the World now is in Congo. Have you said anything or are you interfering in the Congo.
 
Its a joke Diamond Hearts, take a deep breath, go to Kashmir and then talk about kashmiris. Genocidal policy ... hahahah

The only thing genocidal about kashmir is Islamic terrorism that plagues the state every now and then. Kashmiri pandits live with 9/11 every day. So yea go ahead talk blah blah about stuff and do whatever you want. Truth is truth period.

Rick
 
Did we not establish earlier that the USA's crime in Kashmir was doing nothing? The only reason that the USA should be mentioned regarding Kashmir is that the USA is the most powerful nation on Earth and should work for justice if it is going to claim to be working for Justice.

Why can't your rhetoric be nuanced enough to have the USA be the oppressor of Muslims in several nations and yet play no role in another place where Muslims are being oppressed? The US people don't know Kashmir exists. The people running US foreign policy don't care whether Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan but would prefer that the issue be peacefully settled because they would like to have both India and Pakistan as allies. President Bush does not hate Muslims but he must make Muslims scary to the US people because he can not follow the foreign policy of seeking world domination unless he can present the US people with a scary enemy. 9-11 regardless whether done by Al-Qaeda or Dick Cheney gave Bush and the Neocons what they needed as a pretext to invade Iraq. They wanted to Invade Iraq because having a puppet regime in Iraq was the best thing that they could do to advance their goal of world domination. They are fools.

You also sound like a fool when you say "America has consistently interfered in the exercise of freedom by Kashmiris". America has done nothing about Kashmir and you turn that into America interfering. What the USA has done that relates to Kashmir is to help pay for the Pakistani military. If I was looking for a US interference in Kashmir I would have to say the US has backed Pakistan. Words are cheap and putting some group on a list of terrorists does not mean anything if you are also giving money to the sponsors of the alleged terrorist group.

If they don't say anything are they interfering? The biggest injustice in the World now is in Congo. Have you said anything or are you interfering in the Congo.

Well said Nirakar. If anything, the United States has provided substancial on on going funding of the Pakistani Armed Forces. And Diamond, what I said just flew over your head, like I expected it too. Pakistan and India need to resolve the issue...not the United States. The United States has encouraged and continues to encourage each side to find a peaceful solution. The United States has no interest in seeing Pakistan and India fighthing each other. It benefits no one. YOU the Pakistani and Indians have to solve this problem yourselves...each of you are capable of doing so. So I suggest again you stop blaming the United States and start talking with each other.

You have a list of complaints about the Indians. I am sure the Indians have an equally long list of complaints about your side. You both need to work it out. And I would suggest to you that a little forgiveness goes a long way.
 
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Did we not establish earlier that the USA's crime in Kashmir was doing nothing? The only reason that the USA should be mentioned regarding Kashmir is that the USA is the most powerful nation on Earth and should work for justice if it is going to claim to be working for Justice.

No brother, you simply do not understand. The US has given permission to India to declare Kashmir as a battleground for its global "war on terror." This gives the right of India to detain Kashmiris suspected of being part of the resistance, without any charge or fault, but simply on suspicion. India has used this green light to round of men and women and depopulate whole villages into their jails to be tortured and murdered. The US is to blame because it supports, in spirit, the oppression of Kashmiris by India. US has also facilitated India's alliance with Israel and Israel sells US weapons to the Indian military designed to further cause misery to the Kashmiri people.

Why can't your rhetoric be nuanced enough to have the USA be the oppressor of Muslims in several nations and yet play no role in another place where Muslims are being oppressed? The US people don't know Kashmir exists. The people running US foreign policy don't care whether Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan but would prefer that the issue be peacefully settled because they would like to have both India and Pakistan as allies.

This is mere idealism on your part. There is a common belief in Pakistan that after Iran, Pakistan will be the next target. Both the previous government of Afghanistan and the present government in Iran have been friends of Pakistan. Worldwide Muslim sentiment is against the US involving itself in the Muslim world. The fact remains that the US has caused much more problems for Pakistan in the last 7 years than benefit.

There is a saying,"To be the enemy of America is a problem, but to be the friend of America is assured death.

America uses its allies and once they have done their work, they leave them in their condition. Afghanistan and Iraq are prime examples.

President Bush does not hate Muslims but he must make Muslims scary to the US people because he can not follow the foreign policy of seeking world domination unless he can present the US people with a scary enemy. 9-11 regardless whether done by Al-Qaeda or Dick Cheney gave Bush and the Neocons what they needed as a pretext to invade Iraq. They wanted to Invade Iraq because having a puppet regime in Iraq was the best thing that they could do to advance their goal of world domination. They are fools.

I agree completely.

You also sound like a fool when you say "America has consistently interfered in the exercise of freedom by Kashmiris". America has done nothing about Kashmir and you turn that into America interfering. What the USA has done that relates to Kashmir is to help pay for the Pakistani military. If I was looking for a US interference in Kashmir I would have to say the US has backed Pakistan. Words are cheap and putting some group on a list of terrorists does not mean anything if you are also giving money to the sponsors of the alleged terrorist group.

Every since the US declared its so-called "war on terror", India has begun rounding up innocent Kashmiris and protesters and murdering them in connection with suspicion of being part of the resistance. This rhetoric alone has caused the deaths of thousands of Kashmiris. I hardly believe this is non-interference.

The truth is US wants to gain favor with India for economic and military reasons, and they are willing to sacrifice the innocent Kashmiris to do this.

Except for the Kashmiri Pundits eh? The ones who have been in Kashmir since before Islam?

The modern Kashmiris are the descendants of the people of this region, they are not foreigners. The vast majority of the Muslims of Pakistan and India are natives, not foreigners.

Well said Nirakar. If anything, the United States has provided substancial on on going funding of the Pakistani Armed Forces. And Diamond, what I said just flew over your head, like I expected it too. Pakistan and India need to resolve the issue...not the United States. The United States has encouraged and continues to encourage each side to find a peaceful solution. The United States has no interest in seeing Pakistan and India fighthing each other. It benefits no one. YOU the Pakistani and Indians have to solve this problem yourselves...each of you are capable of doing so. So I suggest again you stop blaming the United States and start talking with each other.

If you don't care, do not get involved. Your type of rhetoric has caused the destruction of both Afghanistan and Iraq, we don't need advice from self-righteous Republicans.

The Kashmir issue is an issue which involves all the Muslims of the world, because people are being punished for their religious affiliation. They are being denied self-determination under a brutal occupation which has resulted in more deaths than even in Palestine or Chechnya, yet the Western world has continued to portray this issue as an Indian domestic issue, or an issue only with India and Pakistan.

Afghanistan and Iraq are Muslim nations, and they are Muslim issues, but Republicans like yourself feel it is your divine right to interfere here. Don't preach to me about whose blame this is. It is the fault of the entire international community, and it is their responsibility to stop this. Those who give India military assistance with full knowledge it will be used to oppress Kashmiris are to blame, those who give a foreign nation the right to occupy another are to blame, and those who deny human rights to Iraqis and Afghanis, how can we expect them to allow us to exercise our human rights?
 
There is a saying,"To be the enemy of America is a problem, but to be the friend of America is assured death.

America uses its allies and once they have done their work, they leave them in their condition. Afghanistan and Iraq are prime examples.

Every since the US declared its so-called "war on terror", India has begun rounding up innocent Kashmiris and protesters and murdering them in connection with suspicion of being part of the resistance. This rhetoric alone has caused the deaths of thousands of Kashmiris. I hardly believe this is non-interference.

The truth is US wants to gain favor with India for economic and military reasons, and they are willing to sacrifice the innocent Kashmiris to do this.

The modern Kashmiris are the descendants of the people of this region, they are not foreigners. The vast majority of the Muslims of Pakistan and India are natives, not foreigners.

If you don't care, do not get involved. Your type of rhetoric has caused the destruction of both Afghanistan and Iraq, we don't need advice from self-righteous Republicans.

The Kashmir issue is an issue which involves all the Muslims of the world, because people are being punished for their religious affiliation. They are being denied self-determination under a brutal occupation which has resulted in more deaths than even in Palestine or Chechnya, yet the Western world has continued to portray this issue as an Indian domestic issue, or an issue only with India and Pakistan.

Afghanistan and Iraq are Muslim nations, and they are Muslim issues, but Republicans like yourself feel it is your divine right to interfere here. Don't preach to me about whose blame this is. It is the fault of the entire international community, and it is their responsibility to stop this. Those who give India military assistance with full knowledge it will be used to oppress Kashmiris are to blame, those who give a foreign nation the right to occupy another are to blame, and those who deny human rights to Iraqis and Afghanis, how can we expect them to allow us to exercise our human rights?

You are funny my friend, in a sad sort of way. You are so very misinformed. First, I am not a Republican! Second, I challenge you to produce something here to substanciate your allegations. Show us some proof that India sought approval from the United States and the United States sanctioned military operations in Kashmir by any party.

India has been rounding up those who plant bombs on their railways and kill innocent civilians. That does not sound like terrorism to me.
 
You Republicans obviously do not understand anything about Kashmiri politics. If you do not have knowledge, then please write comments on another topic which you are familiar with and leave this to those who have knowledge about this.

These links may help those who truly which to seek knowledge on this issue:

Human Rights Violations in Kashmir


US support of puppet elections and giving legitimacy to India's puppet Kashmiri government



The Current Indian Policy in Kashmir

Apparently, I am more familar with the issues than you are Diamond. You still have not provided ANY proof of your allegations that the United States sanctioned India's violent responses. You have not shown that the United States gave India permission, as if she needed it.

Second, you have shown your blatent disregard for the truth. I have told you that I am not Republican. Yet still you insist that I am. If you would have searched my postings and read them, you would see where I have consistently been critical of George II and his Republicans. Yet you find it more convenient to ignore the truth when it conflicts with the way you want to view the world.

The URLs you posted were to one, a radical right wing nut job website. And two, the URL about India policy said basically what I have been telling you. The United States has encouraged India to find a peaceful solution to Kashmir. And it encouraged and continues to encourage India to grant free elections to the people of Kashmir.

Three, it appears you like to divide the world into good and bad. You are the good and everyone who disagrees with you is bad. The world is just not that simple.

Below is a link to a report by Human Rights Watch, a credible organization. And it cites both sides for human rights violations.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/

Here is a link from Human Rights Watch...a credible source. It cites both sides with human rights violations.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/back.htm

Diamond, please open your eyes. There is more here than what your heart will allow you to see.
 
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Apparently, I am more familar with the issues than you are Diamond. You still have not provided ANY proof of your allegations that the United States sanctioned India's violent responses. You have not shown that the United States gave India permission, as if she needed it.

I have stated that India used and continues to use the "war on terror" slogan to legitimatize its horrid crackdown on public Kashmiri opposition. The US has turned a blind eye to the abuses which India carries out against Kashmiri people.

The US involved itself in several areas of the conflict:

-Allowing India to use Kashmir as a battleground for its "war on terror", (further weakening the legitimatacy of Kashmiri claims to independence)

-US pressuring Pakistan to crack down on Kashmiri resistance groups stationed in Azad (Liberated) Kashmir

-US facilitating alliance and giving of arms to India through its surrogate state, Israel

-Israeli training in sophisticated weapons use and torturing to Indian military

-Repeated US pressure on moving the majority of Pakistani troops into Afghan border from Indian border (while India adds more troops along Pakistan border, US knows this)

-US mediated support of India through its puppet Karzai in Kabul, Afghanistan in weapons, money, energy, etc. in preference to Pakistan (Karzai is known as an anti-Kashmir and Pro-India politician)

-US propaganda against Iran and pressure on Pakistan to end bilateral trade and friendship which Iran (one of Pakistan's allies in region)

It is ridiculous to say the US has not involved itself in Kashmir, and unfortunately we shall see even more. one example, In the year 2002, a US manufactured spy drone was shot down flying over Pakistani territory in Lahore. It was later found this spy drone was being used by Israel to help spy for India.

The URLs you posted were to one, a radical right wing nut job website. And two, the URL about India policy said basically what I have been telling you. The United States has encouraged India to find a peaceful solution to Kashmir. And it encouraged and continues to encourage India to grant free elections to the people of Kashmir.

How is YesPakistan website a radical rightwing website?

Another thing you should know, India's elections in Kashmir have never ever been free. Human rights agencies have found that the Indian military have forced whole villages to vote for candidates at gunpoint. Are these the type of elections which the US wants in Kashmir?


Three, it appears you like to divide the world into good and bad. You are the good and everyone who disagrees with you is bad. The world is just not that simple.

You are saying I am oblivious in this conflict? How long have you lived in Kashmir to tell me this? I understand that Americans have a habit of speaking on topics, especially international topics, which they do not have knowledge about and this particular case one prime example.

Compare the US response in Tibet to the US response in Kashmir and you will see the truth. The truth of which is the uS cares nothing for freedom and only for their own interests.

Tibet is a country occupied by a country which the US opposes ideologically as a Communist state, which the US fears as a military power, and which the US competes with as an economic power.

India (I made a type, sorry for this) is a country which the US praises as a democracy (though it represses political aspirations to its religious minorities), a power which the US wishes to cultivate as a military power (which served its interests) and a counterweight to China and strong Islamic nations such as Pakistan, Iran, etc (they don't say this, but it is self-evident), and the US now shares an economic alliance with India in IT and other businesses. The US is attempting to produce a puppet military power to balance both Chinese Communist influence and Islamic nations ascent in global politics.

The US is willing to sacrifice the brave, courageous people of Kashmir to make India a military power, but it will not happen because of a few things: the Kashmiri resistance, a disenchanted and oppressed Muslim minority in India, worldwide Muslim anger at India over its treatment of Muslims, and Pakistan's unfettered defense of Kashmiris against Indian occupation.
 
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We never hear anything about the WoT in India. We're more concerned with the ISI and their bombs in our cities.
 
So you are willing to support an aggression, illegal occupation in Kashmir, without regard to death, oppression, and terror against Kashmiris?
 
diamond said:
So you are willing to support an aggression, illegal occupation in Kashmir, without regard to death, oppression, and terror against Kashmiris?
To be free of Pakistani influence is worth quite a bit, judging from the Afghan and Bengal experiences.

I don't like the US role in all this, but that doesn't mean Pakistan is some kind of desirable overlord.
 
I'm actually doing a project for an English class, on American foreign policy.

I think I'm going to focus on the hypocrisy of our war history and how we have stayed out of different atrocities.
So, you're looking to do a writing project on America's atrocities committed by America staying out of different atrocities committed by others.

You should be thinking that not asking for a tuition refund is an atrocity unto itself.

Your education adds up to one.

I'm sorry for your loss.
 
To be free of Pakistani influence is worth quite a bit, judging from the Afghan and Bengal experiences.

I don't like the US role in all this, but that doesn't mean Pakistan is some kind of desirable overlord.

What is your problem with Pakistan?

For your information, majority of Afghani people love Pakistan because Pakistan saved them from Russian invasion. Half of Bengalis, especially religious Muslims like Jamat e Islami people, etc, and almost all Biharis are still pro-Pakistan.

Pakistan has always been a stabilizing factor in South Asia against imperialistic aims of India to dominate the region. If there were no Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Tibet, and Kashmir would all belong to India right now.
 
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What is your problem with Pakistan?
It's a militarized thug country that exports violence and supports oppressive religious factions all over the place.

diamond said:
For your information, majority of Afghani people love Pakistan because Pakistan saved them from Russian invasion. Half of Bengalis, especially religious Muslims like Jamat e Islami people, etc, and almost all Biharis are still pro-Pakistan.
Yah, they love the Taliban, all those Afghanis - especially the women, no longer burdened with schooling, jobs, medical care, or travel. And the half of the Bengalis - presumably the half that the Pakistani military did not target in what some sources who specialize in such matters term one of the half dozen worst atrocities of the 20th century.

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Pakistan has always been a stabilizing factor in South Asia against imperialistic aims of India to dominate the region. If there were no Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Tibet, and Kashmir would all belong to India right now.
I'm sure Tibet is forever grateful for its delivery into the hands of China, and Bangladesh for whatever protection it received against any India forces that would treat them even worse than the Pakistani forces did, and Kashmir for the pretense that it is not part of India and the constant threat of violence that supports the pretense, and Sri Lanka for whatever Pakistan has done to promote its current state of civil war and terrorism,

but really, I think Pakistan has done enough favors for its neighbors.
 
Diamond, I am going to keep it simple for you. You are very long in accusations but non existent on proofs. I have repeatedly asked that you provide proof of just one of your many accusations. And to date, you have not provided a single proof. Do not provide worthless links to propaganda sites...provide proof. Else your arguements are TOTALLY WORTHLESS.

By the way, the United States does not fear China as a military power. They like Iraq have a large military. But their military is not very powerful for a variety of reasons. The United States has historically been a power that would prefer to avoid using military power whenever possible (exception being George II). So don't take the willingness of the United States to pursue peaceful paths as a weakness...like Japan did in WW II. Further, the American-Chinese relationship is a friendly relationship. Do we have differences/issues with China...sure. Do we have issues with India, sure, we do. Do we have issues with the Arab states, absoutley. But that does not mean they are our enemy. China is one of our largest trading partners as well as India. So I think you need to bone a bit up on American foriegn policy and trade.

One final point, there is no intrensic value to Kashmir. There is no oil or natural resources of merit in Kashmir. Kashmir is not militarily significant or strategic to any power. A thousand years ago, Kashmir had some strategic value as a trade route, but with air and other forms of transportation, it has no strategic value today.

Again, where is the proof? Prove just one of your many and varied claims.
 
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