“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Please let me know when one or more gravitons get isolated or otherwise proved. As you might say: 'Evidence?' ”
AlphaNumeric
Gravity is very weak so you need to have enormous energy scales to detect single gravitons. This doesn't mean they aren't there, just difficult to detect. We don't expect weather satellites to detect single molecules of water at the bottom of the ocean but we can still test weather models based on the behaviour of water.
Kaiduorkhon:
Your metaphor is reminiscent of the 'effects of (hypothetical) black holes'. Black holes are very controversial - the issue has increased public and professional tolerance threshholds for what constitutes the difference between fact and speculation. I do not know Scientology, but have heard that it embraces a lot of unscientific stuff. Is it philosophy, religion, or both? Is that the way it is with gravitons and black holes?
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
All right. The GeV is out dated. The interrogative (and the proclamation about the Big Bang theory) remains intact.
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AlphaNumeric:
What? Did you even read what I said. The person you're quoting is wrong, talking absolute nonsense. They are incorrect in their comments about models combining known forces and they are simply referring to their own pet theory with regards to a fully unified model. A GeV is a unit of energy, it's not 'out dated'. That's like saying a metre is outdated.
Kaiduorkhon:
In saying 'the GeV is outdated', clearly I refer to the amount of energy, and not the unit that measures it. Ostensibly, you understand that and are deliberately digressing with what you preceive as an opportunity to reprimand.
AlphaNumeric:
The claims by that person about the BB are just their ignorant pet theory.
Kaiduorkhon:
I am the person with the 'pet theory' that says there was not ever a 'singularity' that exploded and is the cause of the observed 'expanding universe'. I am the person who determines that theoretical physics will return to a universal status quo such as that of the (abandoned) Steady State.
AlphaNumeric:
Can't you tell the difference between mainstream and crank? You can't even notice when someone says something categorically false about something which is in 'The Standard Model' and has been for 30 years. Nobel Prizes were given for it!
Kaiduorkhon:
You have allowed the usage of metaphors (for gravitons), which method I do not contest...
Henry Kissinger and Barack Obama were given the Nobel Prize for peace. Kissinger (along with Secretary MacNamara) was the architect of the Vietnam War and got the Nobel Prize for 'expediting peace in Vietnam'. Obama himself clarified that he was reluctant to accept the (irony of the) honorific. That is to say, the Nobel Prize is not above refute or politics.
AlphaNumeric:
Clearly you're hardly in an informed position when it comes to evaluating mainstream ideas or the validity of your own pet theory.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
It's a very popular 'pet theory'. ”
AlphaNumeric:
What, the authors? I doubt it given they obviously don't know about the SM.
Kaiduorkhon:
Standard information resources abound with convuluted and conflicting 'Standard Models', this is particularly true of the 'Big Bang' on a macrocosmic scale, and quantum physics on a microcosmic scale: to the point that there is a serious question of what 'Standard Model' applies to whatever particular phenomenological/existential condition is at point.
What do you mean by 'SM', AlphaNumeric - other than that it apparently refers to a 'Standard Model'? (Or, perhaps you allude to 'string theory's' <characteristically> dichotomized "M Theory"?)
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
I have no idea, particles and strings are not my field. And though I am making mistakes, I've recently learned more about your work than you have mine. ”
AlphaNumeric:
Particles and strings obviously aren't your field.
Kaiduorkhon:
My work does not recognize 'particles', or 'strings' as they are presently interpreted. "There is no space empty of field". - Einstein
AlphaNumeric:
Neither is anything else in science, you've made that abundantly clear.
Kaiduorkhon:
Since, until further notice, you've not read my book, and, since you flatly ignore what you call my 'cut & pastes' and 'blogs' (as they occur in this thread), you're not qualified to ascertain the extent of my knowledge of science.
AlphaNumeric
And you learning something new about string theory isn't hard given you know nothing about it. Specifically my work though, you don't know anything about it.
Kaiduorkhon:
Given you know nothing about Total Field Theory's central theme and it's unprecedented contingencies, your oblique 'salutations' are returned.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Real space-time events are not known to occur beneath a minimum of three dimensions. ”
AlphaNumeric:
Space-time events are zero dimensional, they are points in space-time. Quantum field theory is built on zero dimensional particles. General relativity allows objects of any number of dimensions to alter space-time curvature. Haven't you ever solved the Einstein Field Equations for point sources? Of course not.....
Kaiduorkhon:
As you have already been straightforwardly told, I don't do higher math. My work is a non-mathematical translation of the higher maths that apply to (among other phenomena) Special & especially General Relativity. My work is primarily based on re-cognition of what was and is already known or theorized; explains previously uncomprehended/unexplained facts. Space-time is the interval/duration between two or more spatially accomodated events. My quantum field theory proceeds - in the form of electricity and as a 90 degree unit of space (consequently always having the same value), which emits and accelerates from any (four dimensional) material entity.
Space-time curvature is explicable in a four dimensional setting, wherein, Einstein applies his interpretation of the Equivalence Principle to explain the apparent curvature of light when passing near a major gravitational system, as specifically addressed and explained in Total Field Theory.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Your answer includes the statement: "I have worked with people who have done models of the cosmological constant using string theory to model QCD processes", constitutes the antithesis of a 'strawman', whereas, it's tantamount to an admission that the cosmological constant is reinstated. ”
AlphaNumeric:
Where did I claim that people denied the possibility of a cosmological constant? Nowhere! Doesn't mean such things have anything to do with you. The non-zero cosmological constant first came from Einstein and was given experimental support by supernovae observations implying an accelerating expansion. Nothing at all to do with you.
Kaiduorkhon:
The Cosmological Constant was abandoned when Silpher-Hubble discovered a (red shift) expanding universe (1927 - '29). It has not been identified as having returned from 'retirement', while it is - especially since 1998 - incorporated in several innovations of astrophysics (refer LCDM - Lambda Cold Dark Matter).
In saying (twice, in two different ways) that the (Einstein's) cosmological constant (- /\ Lambda) has 'Nothing at all to do with you', excludes altogether one of the central themes of my book, which you directly imply you refuse to read. The cosmological constant retrieves the Steady State Theory and disqualifies the 'Big Bang Theory' (and all of it's 'transitional adjustments'). It is the causal identity of the force that produces the 'expanding (accelerating) universe'.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
You noticeably have no comment regarding p. 5, Post 50 - which was authored by me and could serve well as an introduction to any discourse on microcosmic physics, certainly including string theory. Did you ignore it because it resembles a 'cut & paste' or a 'blog' which you have expressed an aversion to (in this case, from my own book)? ”
AlphaNumeric:
Yes, I scrolled past it.
Kaiduorkhon:
Case in point.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Do you consider your avatar - representing a looped string? - as the signal you emit in identifying with the established inner circle of string theorists? ”
AlphaNumeric:
I consider my avatar to mean I have an interest in string theory.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Is your self described and admitted disrespect in this discourse your way of demonstrating that you don't take seriously, alternative avenues of approach to the existing problems in physics unless they're authored by someone of notariety, or with some considerable background in formal education regarding mathematics or physics? ”
AlphaNumeric:
I expect people who denounce mainstream models to at least understand them on some kind of working level. I expect people proclaiming to have viable models of gravity or electromagnetism or everything to be able to model particular phenomena which current models can. I expect people to be able to discuss things in their own words, not resort to massive copy and pastes.
Kaiduorkhon:
I expect people to read my book before they critique it; then to itemize their evaluation(s).
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
When you proclaim "Trust me", to me, can you reassure me why I should? ”
AlphaNumeric:
I've demonstrated a much better grasp and familiarity with mainstream models than you. I don't get my information from Google and YouTube.
Kaiduorkhon:
My book was originally small press published and distributed in essay form (in three languages) over two decades before you were born. The first edition in staple-back book format was sold out via local bookstores in Berkeley-San Francisco and via international mail order, via the 1970 Whole Earth Catalogue. Five more small press editions were sold out before the internet was available to the public. I didn't get my information from Google and YouTube. The latter of which, as I've already explained, represents a massive example of the irresponsible license that is being taken in the name of teaching 'string theory'.
Very recently, I have accessed Google to acquire information, much of which, I am aware is dated - and questionable - depending on the given source.
Do you consider 'string theory' to be 'mainstream'?
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Do you anticipate that the LHC is going to confirm string 'theory'? (Refer 'M Theory' - which isn't a theory either; rather an advanced string hypothesis, having, as you say of my - unread - work, 'accomplished nothing'.) ”
AlphaNumeric:
No, I don't. It might find things which lend more credence to string theory such as supersymmetry and extra dimensions but not confirm it.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Have you read Prof. P.Woit's "Not Even Wrong"? ”
AlphaNumeric:
No, I prefer to get an understanding of string theory by reading its working details and using my knowledge of other areas of physics, including quantum field theory and general relativity, to evaluate it for myself. I don't need the information in textbooks or papers to be filtered into laymans words for me by someone with an obvious bias, one way or the other. You obviously do.
Kaiduorkhon:
Yes. I do. Is it not appropriate to gather as much information as reasonably possible on a subject, even from sources which you may not necessarily agree with? Does reading 'Mein Kampf' imply that one is a nazi? Does it not reveal the nature of the opposing view and thereby further one's perspective and education?
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Have you an opinion of how much excitement and incentive and myopic commital has been invested in the culmination of a 15 - 20 year project at the cost of over eight billion dollars has culminated within the 'string theory community'? ”
AlphaNumeric:
The LHC is to test the Higgs sector of the electroweak model, colour deconfinement in quark-gluon plasmas of QCD, photon-photon scattering in QED, flavour mixing in the lepton sector and perhaps find an explanation for dark matter via supersymmetry. These are all motived by the Standard Model and simple extensions of it. String theory doesn't come into it.
Exotic things like extra dimensions or black holes are not the reason the LHC was built and are simply things it might see if they exist at energies below 14TeV. Neither of those would confirm or deny string theory.
Kaiduorkhon:
Due to your last series of statements, I now know more than I did before I read them. Sincere thanks.
AlphaNumeric
The fact you seem to clueless about the purpose behind the LHC and the motivation given to various experiments it will do illustrates my point about you, that you are utterly ignorant of something you so emphatically denounce.
Kaiduorkhon:
I must admit, I learned much of my 'ignorance' of 'string theory' from Prof. Peter Woit, though Prof. Brian Green's 'Elegant Universe' is well done, especially for mathematicians.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Do you consider the LHC to be the forthcoming liberator of the scientifically restrained string theory and its advocates? Are you following the funding, grants and the herd of string theorists - also following the money? ”
AlphaNumeric:
The LHC and string theory are independent things. Please try to grasp that.
Kaiduorkhon:
I'm aware of that.
AlphaNumeric:
As for following the money, I am not. A few weeks ago I went looking on uni websites to see about possible postdoc positions in particle physics. For every string theory place there were at least 2 or 3 experimental/phenomenology positions, sometimes 4 or 5. If I'd done Lattice QCD or the MSSM or neutrino physics I'd have easily had twice the number of options for jobs. The specific area I work in is very small, probably less than 20 people working on it in the world. The big string theory areas are the AdS/CFT correspondence or M-theory unifications or topological flop transitions.
If I were after money I'd not be bothering about a PhD or a postdoc place, I'd be working in a bank. Or aeronautics. Or engineering. Or nuclear physics. All of those pay a hell of a lot more than working in a uni does. People don't become physicists for the money, they do it because they enjoy it, they like answering questions no one else ever has. If I get a postdoc place I might earn £17,000 - £25,000. The opening salary for one bank I looked at was £40,000. I have friends I did my undergrad with who are on £70,000 already.
Kaiduorkhon:
Commendations to you then. Thank you for responding to my question.
“ Originally Posted by Kaiduorkhon
Please offer your choice of a quantitative model of string theory. ”
AlphaNumeric:
Are you so stupid you're asking an already answered question again or is this an accidental copy and paste?
Kaiduorkhon:
It's obviously a residual question extended from my last post.
Google sources say that string theory has 2 prominent problems:
1) 'Predicts ten space-time dimensions - requiring six unobserved spatial dimensions, microcosmically wrapped up in one way or another.'
- Peter Woit, paraphrased
(The number of dimensions alleged to be bolstered in and about string theory vary from 'infinite', to 26, to 11, to 6, that I've read of. That's why it's a little confusing to determine whose 'pet theory' belongs to whom.)
2) 'Relies on an infinite number of terms, requiring a summation to get a result.The sum is almost certainly infinite. String theorists contemplate an infinite number of consistent theories of gravity with no principle for choosing among them.' - Peter Woit, Google: 'Is String Theory Even Wrong'.
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Recreational Post Script : )
Imagine yourself a complete novice-beginner on the subject of physics and encountering objections - targeting someone as claiming to have 're-written' physics'... Consider now that situation, with the 'target's' counter-statement and the terms and vocabulary reflected in it... Would it promote the study of physical science, or discourage it?
The talk of myself thinking to have ‘re-written physics’, occurs in the midst of what has been diversely and responsibly described as complete dissolution throughout the past several decades of theoretical physics - now peppered & sprayed with hypotheses, impersonating ‘theory’, personal abuse as educational policy, and a glueon sniffing lexicon (of hundreds of irreverently labeled real, hypothetical and unfound <AWOL> 'particles') to kill & die for. An ad hoc - artist's licensed -sharply abbreviated tour of New Age Disneyland follows:
"Copenhagen interpretation, collapsation, quarks, super strings, entanglement, wasted time, tachyons, gravitons, neurolinguistic programming, strangeness, big bang, charms, foam, 12 flavors, bottom-top, upper-lower, lies, psycho-molecular restructuring, DeathSpeak, static point mass emitting motionless electromagnetism beyond a static field, infinite parallel universes, celeritas constant isolated from light speed and electromagnetism - denied as information, dark matter, operant conditioning, 'scientific community', the Ministry of Truth, ‘tired light’, white holes, the-art-of-missing-the-point-when-you-can't-afford-to-catch-on, god-particles, Macho & Wimp particles, black holes, Mach's principle sans inertia, digressing-to-actuality, leptons, baryons, expanded-tolerance-threshholds, pink smoke on the Perrier, battered & bullied-women-make-better-pancakes & burgers (leprechauns, put-ons, take-offs) 'M Theory' variously translates to 'Membrane', 'Matrix', 'Mother', 'Meta', 'Magic' & 'Mystery', whereas Professor Peter Woit suggests that 'Mythical' may be more appropriate, given that years of work on 'M Theory' have yet to lead it to even a good conjecture ('Make 7! UP Yours!' - New World Order particles?) Lately, hip-hop physics rhubarb rappers are gargling about altogether eliminating Newton and Einstein and Maxwelll from the (‘What?’) gravitational field and slapsticking ‘waveicles’": while alluding to and skunk-fighting about the exemplary works of Newton, Hertz, Faraday, Maxwell, Thompson, Planck, Einstein, Rutherford, Bohr, Pauli, Jeans, Bondi, Gold, Hoyle, Eddington, etceteras, as being ‘gibberish’ (for example : ).
No, I certainly have not ‘rewritten physics’, although I have very significantly contested the dismissal of reality for lack of evidence, and contributed to empirically re-cognizing and resuscitating it, in situ. Not without the New Age Devo’s impetuously spin-doctored, transitions, adjustments, revisions, rip- offs, politically correct proclamations, friendly fascism, damned denials & obtuse humorless objections. (Say 'Good nite', Gracie?)