Leo Volont
Registered Senior Member
Atheists continuously insist that they have a sense of Morality. Well, yes, a sense. They remember the difference between good and evil. However, there is nothing outside of law and peer pressure that could enforce this sense of morality into any action that could inconvenience an Atheist. They are willing to do good as long as it is conducive to their self interest, but, equally, they are willing to do evil also, if it is in their self interest and if they can keep it hushed up. Cheating on taxes, cheating on tests, cheating on their wives. Competition in the workplace – screwing people over on the excuse that the rules are the same for everybody – not finding a problem with making real life into some kind of a child’s game.
But sometimes they don’t even bother to keep it secret. Here we have America’s and Britain’s advocacy for Torture. They KNOW it is wrong. But it is so darn in their Self Interest to do it. Well, not really in their self interest if they look at all the calculations involved. But for those in the Intelligence Community, all the nasty tools of the Inquisition come out in a celebration of useful Barbarism.
Of course, on the political side, there are a great many Protestants that are actively advocating for Torture, but in their regards, they see it as just one more Sin from which their Salvation exempts them. It needs to be remembered, that in the War against God and Religion, it was not the Atheists who had fired the first shot, but the Protestants, and largely so that they could assert a more all inclusive Salvation when the Catholic Church had been insisting, against Paulist Doctrines, for a broader spectrum of social moralities, which isn’t to say that the Paulist Bishops were willing to apply Paulist Salvation Doctrines to themselves for the benefit of their own corruptions. The Protestants did not need nor want Morality. They substituted Law for Morality, as Law could be selectively applied. The whole point of Democracy is to allow certain powerful individuals to place a Government from whose laws they can be personally exempted or from which they can personally profit.
Decades ago some atheists in the scientific community decided to take cover beneath a rather vague definition of God, more or less defining their ‘God’ as one in the same as the Universe itself… given such a loose definition they could say to the Redneck Inquisitions “I believe in ‘God’ so leave me alone”. Einstein was a famous instance of this – being one of the ‘nice’ scientists who believed in God… just don’t ask any question. But certain philosophers pointed out that a God with no personality and indisposed to be Providential would really be as good as no God at all. So it is with Morality and a God of Salvation. If this God has suddenly decided to suspend Morality by granting a universal dispensation against the imposition of any Moral Criteria, then God becomes Morally Useless, or the Religion of that God becomes morally useless. Yes, Protestants make a great deal of noise about supporting certain social mores with the weight of an imposed Morality, but it seems to be a great deal in the order of old fat ladies who call for sexual restraint – it effectively applies to other people’s actions and never to their own.
Likewise, with Atheists and Protestants in their regards for Torture, in both giving it and receiving it. Many German and Japanese Intelligence Officers and Politicians had been hanged by American and British prosecutors for having had tortured American and British troops. Atheists and Protestants are willing to aim their Moral Sense outward when they themselves can support themselves in the roll of the Victim… when the Self Interest of Morality is on their own side, when the restraints of Morality are intended only to hold back the other guy. It reminds me of how the British and the American’s had a Holocaust going of their own, firebombing civilian population centers in both Europe and Japan… even the first Nuclear Bombs were not aimed against military targets but were set to incinerate women and children. Also, the British and American’s enforced a Food Embargo against Europe, again aimed against the Civilian Populations, and it is a little known fact that nearly every ‘Concentration Camp’ started out as Food Rationing Centers, and those who starved there were not killed by Adolf Hitler but by the American and the British Food Embargos. But the War Crimes Trials did not even bother to discuss these issues. After all, having ordered the deaths of millions of innocent people themselves, would Harry Truman or Winston Churchill really have minded being hung themselves. With so many others dead, why was it special for them to survive, especially in the face of so many outrages against Civilized Standards of Behavior. But here again we are discussing the Moralities of Atheists and Protestants which effectively are not moralities at all.
But sometimes they don’t even bother to keep it secret. Here we have America’s and Britain’s advocacy for Torture. They KNOW it is wrong. But it is so darn in their Self Interest to do it. Well, not really in their self interest if they look at all the calculations involved. But for those in the Intelligence Community, all the nasty tools of the Inquisition come out in a celebration of useful Barbarism.
Of course, on the political side, there are a great many Protestants that are actively advocating for Torture, but in their regards, they see it as just one more Sin from which their Salvation exempts them. It needs to be remembered, that in the War against God and Religion, it was not the Atheists who had fired the first shot, but the Protestants, and largely so that they could assert a more all inclusive Salvation when the Catholic Church had been insisting, against Paulist Doctrines, for a broader spectrum of social moralities, which isn’t to say that the Paulist Bishops were willing to apply Paulist Salvation Doctrines to themselves for the benefit of their own corruptions. The Protestants did not need nor want Morality. They substituted Law for Morality, as Law could be selectively applied. The whole point of Democracy is to allow certain powerful individuals to place a Government from whose laws they can be personally exempted or from which they can personally profit.
Decades ago some atheists in the scientific community decided to take cover beneath a rather vague definition of God, more or less defining their ‘God’ as one in the same as the Universe itself… given such a loose definition they could say to the Redneck Inquisitions “I believe in ‘God’ so leave me alone”. Einstein was a famous instance of this – being one of the ‘nice’ scientists who believed in God… just don’t ask any question. But certain philosophers pointed out that a God with no personality and indisposed to be Providential would really be as good as no God at all. So it is with Morality and a God of Salvation. If this God has suddenly decided to suspend Morality by granting a universal dispensation against the imposition of any Moral Criteria, then God becomes Morally Useless, or the Religion of that God becomes morally useless. Yes, Protestants make a great deal of noise about supporting certain social mores with the weight of an imposed Morality, but it seems to be a great deal in the order of old fat ladies who call for sexual restraint – it effectively applies to other people’s actions and never to their own.
Likewise, with Atheists and Protestants in their regards for Torture, in both giving it and receiving it. Many German and Japanese Intelligence Officers and Politicians had been hanged by American and British prosecutors for having had tortured American and British troops. Atheists and Protestants are willing to aim their Moral Sense outward when they themselves can support themselves in the roll of the Victim… when the Self Interest of Morality is on their own side, when the restraints of Morality are intended only to hold back the other guy. It reminds me of how the British and the American’s had a Holocaust going of their own, firebombing civilian population centers in both Europe and Japan… even the first Nuclear Bombs were not aimed against military targets but were set to incinerate women and children. Also, the British and American’s enforced a Food Embargo against Europe, again aimed against the Civilian Populations, and it is a little known fact that nearly every ‘Concentration Camp’ started out as Food Rationing Centers, and those who starved there were not killed by Adolf Hitler but by the American and the British Food Embargos. But the War Crimes Trials did not even bother to discuss these issues. After all, having ordered the deaths of millions of innocent people themselves, would Harry Truman or Winston Churchill really have minded being hung themselves. With so many others dead, why was it special for them to survive, especially in the face of so many outrages against Civilized Standards of Behavior. But here again we are discussing the Moralities of Atheists and Protestants which effectively are not moralities at all.
