Have you ever remembered your dreams? (the sleeping kind)
You may use the objective one.
Then yes, social intelligence exists.
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To Theists: Why do you value hope more than truth?
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Have you ever remembered your dreams? (the sleeping kind)
Then yes, social intelligence exists.
Are you a Theist?
I almost missed this post. Is that how you predict you would respond or that others would respond?
Absence of evidence over a long time doesn't contradict a claim, thats irrational, illogical, but then again atheists favor irrationality when it agrees with atheism, anything as long as it keeps the atheistic faith alive...its kind of like someone saying "well its been 300 years and no one has proven that the Earth revolves around the Sun, so obviously those who say the Earth revolves around the Sun are just deluded fools living an imaginary fantasy, we can all clearly see the Sun moving around the Earth, its so obvious"
There are reasons to believe in a claim without evidence, simply because there are innumerable things that are already true that there's no evidence for....
Yeah, they've laid out examples, you know like "what if God came down and appeared to all people at once", kind of like someone saying, well I would believe when pigs can fly, they don't give any type of evidence thats even possible to gather, besides "Well if someone prayed to win the lottery 100 times then it would prove that prayer works, but not really that God exists"Crunchy Cat said:
Well the truths I have discovered are that we each exist in our own personal reality/universe, there's innumerable realities/universes, all of our problems exist only as feelings, insecurities, impulses, etc...the destruction of these impulses brings the greatest enjoyment, happiness, freedom, etc...after death you enter into a different universe/reality, matter is very high-concentration of thought-energy, everything is made of thought-energy,Crunchy Cat said:
We can all hope for a better tomorrow but we will never know the real truth about many things.
Lets take the claim of a 'soul' for example. That has been around for some 10,000+ years or so. There has been herioc efforts to find it and yet everyone has come up empty. The logical outcome is that claim stand contradicted, that is the absence of evidence with a more than reasonable research effort becomes evidence of absence.
Such as?
What about a middle ground? Take 100 retarded people and pray for 'God' to fix them. I would be pretty dran convinced if they all came out smart. I am sure nearly all Atheists would as well.
Do you invest hope in these 'truths'?
What would you do if science proved definitively that tomorrow will suck?
pop a futuristic designer pill that removes all uncertainty from your mind.
What does that mean? If someone prays then it gives psychical and mental phenomena in the body - that is an inescapable aspect of materialism - but the same can be achieved in similar practice without religious practice.
I'm not a scientist, but will the day come that peer reviewed science states the existence of 'psychic centers' in the body? Absolutely not.
By the way, I keep bringing up the psychic centers only as an example... it belongs in the heap with all supernatural BS.
Like I said, I'm an expert in understanding the mind-set of the deluded... and I believe that meditation has merits. However, what I have against meditation is when already gullible people come away from meditation making supernatural claims.
Sounds exactly like how a lot of people got into religion. A mental placebo amongst people who preffer an imaginary world over the material world - sounds like the order of the day for these people. If they can be arrogant in acting holier-than-thou because they sit with their legs crossed and chanting mystical BS, then I can be arrogant saying that the material world rocks your ass!
Buddhism: do I know anything about it's doctrine? Absolutely nothing. So lets have a quick Wiki on it:
In Buddhism, any person who has awakened from the "sleep of ignorance"
This is extremely offensive. Everyone who is not a Buddhist is ignorant I see. That was the first line I read, so I'm not off to a good start...
(by directly realizing the true nature of reality)
That was the fucking second line! I realize the true nature of reality, so that makes me a Buddhist? Does it sound arrogant when I say I realize the true nature of reality? Well right back at ya with your Buddhism crap.
if a person does not follow the goal of Total Realization, one lives one's life like a preoccupied child playing with toys in a house that is burning to the ground.
Again, this is totally offensive to materialists. And if I want to get rid of anger, I'll go to anger management classes or take drugs, because you know what, I'm a materialist, and material works.
So basically if you are deep in thought and not doing anything you are 'meditating'? I do that all the time.
You know what... It's amazing how often I turn out to be right when being blatantly ignorant with superstitious stories and practices. If any of them turned out to be proven correct, we'd hear about it and I'd eat my words.
Although the annoying thing about Buddhism and general mysticism is that it's harder to prove BS because it's 100% word play, and 0% content.
This just takes the biscuit! I don't even know what to say, that's just too funny, so I'll just ask for you to provide what evidence exists for reincarnation.
What if scientific knowledge got to the point where there was no more uncertainty about what used to be considered really big questions? Would the removal of that uncertainty remove hope invested in those uncertainties as well?
What an illogical remark (but then again you are using atheistic faith), what evidence would indicate that a soul exists? Exactly...
There's already many indications that consciousness may exist independantly of the brain...your logic is simple, if something is untestable, then its false, evidence causes something to become true, so all things without evidence are false....its the atheistic logic
Wait wait wait..first you say yeah you agree that the truth is the truth with or without evidence, then say "What? What things can be true without evidence?"...Crunchy Cat said:
Examples are all the previously discovered things (you know which were true before discovered)...do you think all the 100,000+ volcanos discovered existed before they were discovered? If you say yes then you agree that there are innumerable things that are already true without evidence...
No you wouldn't, if this really happened atheists would come up with many alternative explanations like "you know retarded people aren't really dumb", "there's no reason to believe that God or anything supernatural was involved"Crunchy Cat said:
It doesn't matter if I have hope or not, belief or not, evidence or not, the truth is the truth with or without these things...Crunchy Cat said:
How do you figure? That doens't prove materialsim at all. Take the placebo effect. The palacebo effect creates physical changes, but the person has not taken any actual physical thing that creates those changes. Those changes were created by a belief. And bleiefs are not physical things.
Stop stating your opinion as fact. Its no different when you do it than when a Christian Fundamentalist does it. How does acupuncture work?
Just your opinion. Backed up by absolutely nothing. YOu are just like a Christian Fundamentlaist that thinks your beliefs with evidence or logic are sufficient unto themselves.
Only in your own deluded mind.
The point is you have never meditated and yet you have the audacity to think your in a positon to make claims about it. It's preposterous.
YOu've never meditated and you are just making judgements about an activity you have no knowledge about. If you think it has merits try instead of passing your ignorant inconsequential judgements.
Well, your already off to a bad start since previously you claimed to be an expert on all religions and felt yourself to be in a position to judge eastern religions despite the fact that you know nothing about them. Now you're gonna read a wiki entyr and pass more superficial judgents based on your ignorance. Okay, I am ready to be amused by your ignaorance.
No, it means that everyone is ignorant.
No, you are ignorant.
Who gives a fuck what is offensive to you. Do whatever makes sense to you. I didn't say you should become a buddhist. I said you should educate yourself on subjects you are going to talk about instead of spouting off like your an expert. Doesn't that at least clue you in a little bit that you're ignorant?
Just exposing your ignaorance once again. When ones mind is concentrated you are free of distracting thoughts. Yes, many people enter into meditative states all the time.
Doesn't change the fact that you haven't looked at the actual research. You're an ignorant.
Right, and the fact that you are totally ignorant of the subject has nothing to do with it?
Look at the research done by Ian Stevenson. I provided several links already. Are you too lazy to open them?
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Bottom line: You don't know anything about these subjects you are tlaking about and yet you act like you are some kind of expert in them. You are totally ignorant and have the arrogance to think your uneducated opinion means something. Reading 3 sentences of a wiki article doesn't make you an expert. Your opinion amounts to shit.
Lucy in the sky with diamonds?
Ah yes! Our favorite indirectly observable entities - electrons!they don't do so well trying to spot electrons out their bedroom window though
So, I claim that lightning exists. Never mind what it consists of. We all see lightning and can readily observe and agree on many of its characteristics. You claim it is the sword of Zeus and is made of "divine fire". I doubt you and start to make some tests that lead me, over millenia, to be able to demonstrate (even to you) that it is made of "electrons" (which is just the greek word for "amber" since rubbing amber with wool was one of the first ways that people observed triboelectricity, or static charge build-up). If you went to a decent high school you might have even been treated to the millikan oil drop experiment, from which you can directly measure the charge of a thing called an "electron".
Now, you claim there is a god. Something incredibly all-pervasive and powerful. Please show me a simple quantification that demonstrates that this god is the source of... whatever you choose, and not some other explanation (like electrons). Why not demonstrate to me that electrons are of godly origin? Or a tree? Or a microbe?
Whats that? You say that everything we've investigated so far is based on well know physics, but the parts we don't yet understand are god-caused? God of the gaps, you say? Right.
Agreed. But consider... Do we "look down" on murderers? Rapsits? Thieves? Do they not willfully engage in heinous stupidity? Well, I think that theism leads directly to those things (in a broad historical sense) and needs to be crushed at every opportunity. I consider theism, in the modern world, to be willful stupidity and worthy of "looking down" upon.
I know how peaceful xianity and islam are. They all preach love and tolerance and peace, right? Whether they really do or not is moot. The religious idea in the hands of the common mob always leads to cultism, seperatism, group-think, and ultimately the marginalization of those who don't "believe".
Bah.
I do love peace. Apparently far more that those that carry the banner of religion.How very peace loving of you.