Knowledge originates in science and science deals with facts, and I love it—but only a fool does not recognize its limitations.
Yes we know the limitations of science, however if you are talking supernaturalism, then that's not science, that's superstition!
I am not a fool. Religion—real religion—is not a primitive belief in something imaginary followed by corresponding values that end up being borrowed by secularists, but emerges from experiences alluded to in my first posting: the early realization that things are caused and need a sufficient cause.
No but your an arrogant know it all who still doesn't answer simple questions!
All I ask is that people talk intelligibly about religion or not at all—to learn something about the centuries-old premise of self-existent reality as opposed to emergent properties before likening belief in God to belief in fairies or Zeus
See we all ready hear this BS, what I want to know, however is how the hell can you explain a self manifested entity? That you have failed to answer several times, and how the hell is it not different then Zeus? If the Greek religion would have survived till today, you be plainly explaining here, that Zeus is a self manifested entity!
I am afraid, however, that this is asking too much. Atheist Bertrand Russell said, “Someone living comfortably in a make-believe world has neither reason nor desire to escape.” This is true no matter what the person’s worldview—atheist or religious. When a person’s comfort zone is threatened, they tend to erect defensive barriers rather than taking up the challenge to adapt or create an entirely new worldview.
Actually you had a new world view when you changed from theistic dogma, to objective secularism, however you claim that you changed your mind and reverted back to theistic dogma, sounds to me you were, are simply confused!
I should have made it clear from the first that even though I’m a theist, I greatly resent the traditionalized and institutionalized dogma that organized religion is rightly associated with.
Oh! I see so we are now a deist! got ya!
I mean, how does a temporal and finite being fully and completely get their mind wrapped around what is, by definition, infinite and self-existing? Our concept of God never be more than relative to the actual.
With that said, how does a mere finite being come up with scriptures mandated by certain gods? Like I said, if Greek mythology would have survived till today, most would be praying to Zeus still!
religion “would rehabilitate itself if, in addition to its moral mandates, it would give equal consideration to the truths of science, philosophy, and spiritual experience, and to the beauties of the physical creation, the charm of intellectual art, and the grandeur of genuine character achievement.”
Nice quote, however reality has shown us that the above has not been the case! Religion was and is nothing more than a tool to control the masses. The shamans, witch doctors, oracles, popes, etc... leaders of these religions found a simple way to make a living, off the backs of who believed their BS, if one was not to believe, they pulled out the unknown to manipulate.
In the past, those who did not believe, were killed, jailed, maned, ridiculed, or burned! and today it happens in Islam.
With a past like that, there's very little religion can do rehabilitate, the damage done to humanity, is incomprehensible, an undeniable that religion has stagnated humanity, as it's still doing today!
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