This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

billvon said:
You actually believe Genesis literally? Not only does it make no sense, it is only one of the hundreds of creation stories out there. No wonder you are often confused about this stuff.
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Sigh.

Only fools believe the bible literally.

Our friend seems to be ignoring the little bit of wisdom in the bible that says we are like God in the mental sense.

Regards
DL
 
billvon said:
Agreed.

As mentioned before, taking such things literally can be a mistake. The Bible was written by men with very specific preconceptions.
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Indeed as well as an agenda.

Note how to Jews, Eden was our place of elevation to God like status.

They have become as Gods etc., while Christianity corrupted that elevation by calling it a fall.

The Jews were on the mark and the Christians missed the target altogether.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
Note how to Jews, Eden was our place of elevation to God like status.
They have become as Gods etc., while Christianity corrupted that elevation by calling it a fall.
The Jews were on the mark and the Christians missed the target altogether.
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Given how much faith the Jewish religion places on the Old Testament, safe to say that both missed the mark to a very large degree.
 
billvon said:
Given how much faith the Jewish religion places on the Old Testament, safe to say that both missed the mark to a very large degree.
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Jews show that they have no faith at all in their old myths. Most are closer to atheists than theists. At least on their left wing. The right wing is as usual, more backwards thinking.

First, most Jews recognize their holy books as myths, and secondly, a Rabbi of the oral tradition can overrule any of the written Torah.

That puts them a cut above idol worshiping Christians.

Regards
DL
 
kx000 said:
You don't have to read those parts of it if you believe in Jesus.
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True but the majority seem to.

Those, to me, who would use Jesus as their scapegoat are morally corrupt.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
Certainly not a supernatural God. In Gnostic Christianity and Jewish circles, man is God and in that sense we definitely act directly in our physical world.

It all depends on who God is to the one believing in God.

Most theists place themselves as subservient to God while the more enlightened will make God subservient to us humans. That is basically natural law where the strong serve the weak and the strong do not expect to be served by the weak.

That is the case in your family. Right?
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There's no need for subservience in either direction. If man is god, why would you seek to make man subservient to man?
No, my family doesn't run on "might makes right".
 
billvon said:
That's odd. We are far closer to forests and rocks than we are to any conventional image of God. And compared to the distance between man and God, man and canines are almost identical - yet we selectively breed them, perform painful cosmetic surgery without their consent, sterilize them and euthanize them without many moral qualms at all. Why do you think that our morality would apply to God when we don't even apply our own morality to dogs?
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Was/am not saying I/we are applying any particular set of morals to any particular group/god/situation.

Said see no problems in comparisons.

Not interested in applying any particular set of morals to any particular group/god/situation.
 
Greatest I am said:
True but the majority seem to.

Those, to me, who would use Jesus as their scapegoat are morally corrupt.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

Regards
DL
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But not believing in Jesus is bad in itself, just as much as the ones who scapegoated Jesus.
 
kx000 said:
But not believing in Jesus is bad in itself . . . .
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No worse than not believing in any of the other great many prophets/incarnations/versions of God out there.

If you believe in Vishnu, and the result of your belief is to live a life of forgiveness, charity and peacemaking, then you are living up to the standards of most religions - even if your belief comes under the heading of a different name.
 
billvon said:
No worse than not believing in any of the other great many prophets/incarnations/versions of God out there.

If you believe in Vishnu, and the result of your belief is to live a life of forgiveness, charity and peacemaking, then you are living up to the standards of most religions - even if your belief comes under the heading of a different name.
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The result of belief is paradise, and destiny.
 
DaveC426913 said:
That's a pretty ambiguous phrase. What does "putting man above God" mean in the context of whether God is constrained by laws?
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It means that we can constrain God and God cannot complain unless he shows up.

We can do that with all Gods as they are all human constructs.

Regards
DL
 
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