sculptor
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OK you post "orange wig" and I think Milla Jovovich:
Perhaps, you had something else in mind?
The Trump Presidency
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Perhaps, you had something else in mind?
Economic problems aren't the only kind of problems.
Trump met in secret with Putin for more than 2 hours. The only people present were 2 interpreters, Lavrov, and Tillerson who was awarded Russia's highest honor, Putin, and Trump. Normally, these meetings are recorded by note takers and attended by many more people. There were no note takers; so there is no transcript of the meeting.
So what was discussed, and why did it take 2 hours and sixteen minutes to discuss? And why has Trump not held a post meeting press conference as is the custom? Trump's meeting with Putin is shrouded in secrecy. Why? What did Trump disclose? What was discussed? We don't know.
It sounds like Trump begrudgingly raised the issue of Russian hacking and readily accepted Putin's expected denial. That probably took all of 2 minutes, if that, to go through. So what occupied the remaining 2 hours and 14 minutes? Why wasn't the national security director present as is the custom? It also sounds like the limited Syrian cease fire agreement had been negotiated and agreed to prior to the meeting. So what really happened? We may never know. But whatever was discussed, Putin and Trump seemed pleased with each other and that isn't good. Putin seems quite pleased, and we should all find that deeply concerning. Trump isn't that bright. It's a wonder he didn't give him the keys to Air Force One or the nuclear codes. Maybe he did. What secrets did Trump divulge?
This meeting was highly unusual, and deeply disconcerting. Trump is Putin's asset. What's interesting now is we are getting different versions of what transpired. Tillerson, has one version, and Russia has another. It seems to me that given so much planning was put into this meeting; they should have come to some agreement on what was discussed.
So what was discussed, and why did it take 2 hours and sixteen minutes to discuss? And why has Trump not held a post meeting press conference as is the custom? Trump's meeting with Putin is shrouded in secrecy. Why? What did Trump disclose? What was discussed? We don't know.
It sounds like Trump begrudgingly raised the issue of Russian hacking and readily accepted Putin's expected denial. That probably took all of 2 minutes, if that, to go through. So what occupied the remaining 2 hours and 14 minutes? Why wasn't the national security director present as is the custom? It also sounds like the limited Syrian cease fire agreement had been negotiated and agreed to prior to the meeting. So what really happened? We may never know. But whatever was discussed, Putin and Trump seemed pleased with each other and that isn't good. Putin seems quite pleased, and we should all find that deeply concerning. Trump isn't that bright. It's a wonder he didn't give him the keys to Air Force One or the nuclear codes. Maybe he did. What secrets did Trump divulge?
This meeting was highly unusual, and deeply disconcerting. Trump is Putin's asset. What's interesting now is we are getting different versions of what transpired. Tillerson, has one version, and Russia has another. It seems to me that given so much planning was put into this meeting; they should have come to some agreement on what was discussed.
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So, you looked at 2016. The United States achieved net export in 2011↗; what I like about your analysis, though—
—is that it puts to rest the opposition complaint↗ about that threshold, circa 2012, intended to suggest people were giving credit—to Obama—where it ain't due.
Thank you.
And the chaos in Washington continues to grow; McConnell says he must work with Democrats to fix Obamacare. He has no alternatives. Cruz says working with Democrats would be an unmitigated disaster for the Republican Party. Then you have Trump, in direct opposition to his previous position, advocating repeal now and replace later.
douwd20
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He's all over the map. He will never be able to sell anything to the country except his own unfitness. He calls the house bill "cruel" after celebrating its signing in the Rose Garden months earlier. It's clear he's 100% clueless on everything. His illness will be scary to watch play out on the world stage which he claimed all the G20 countries were taking about Podesta and DNC servers. Will someone ever take his hands off the wheel before we all die?
I posted a description of a cartoon elephant made of bananas and you think Milla Jovovich?
It's been an effective approach to gaining power for himself. So far, so good, from his point of view.
sculptor
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"...better get some pictures...
...for...uh...uh...the Archives..."
douwd20
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Obviously that makes his supporters clueless as well. Who will ever take the United States seriously again? Then again he is the cake that's been baking in the Right Wing/Fox News oven for a long time and now the dish is served.
This ones for you Joe...
"Why can't we all just get along..."
Trump meets the "other" team.
Note that it ends with a hand shake... hee hee
"Why can't we all just get along..."
Trump meets the "other" team.
Note that it ends with a hand shake... hee hee
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Trump and Putin appear to have agreed (Putin says so, and he would know) that Russia has not been meddling in US politics, and if they have the best way is to ignore it and move along in harmony.
Meanwhile, Trump Organization LLC has
independently and without consulting Trump or anyone closely connected to him (except his children and some legal or business associates, of course, and whatever Trump mentioned in reviewing the quarterly reports he received a few weeks ago)
renewed somewhere in the neighborhood of a thousand domain names registered by and associated with their Russian investments and operations. (TrumpTowerMoscow.com, for example).
The profitability of all these investments depends on the friendliness and policies of the Russian government, headed by Vladimir Putin. Trump recently met with Putin, but there is no word on whether the topic of Trump Organization LLC's millions in Russian investments came up.
Part of the reason it has not come up may be Trump's decision to hold no press conference after the G20.
Meanwhile, Trump Organization LLC has
independently and without consulting Trump or anyone closely connected to him (except his children and some legal or business associates, of course, and whatever Trump mentioned in reviewing the quarterly reports he received a few weeks ago)
renewed somewhere in the neighborhood of a thousand domain names registered by and associated with their Russian investments and operations. (TrumpTowerMoscow.com, for example).
The profitability of all these investments depends on the friendliness and policies of the Russian government, headed by Vladimir Putin. Trump recently met with Putin, but there is no word on whether the topic of Trump Organization LLC's millions in Russian investments came up.
Part of the reason it has not come up may be Trump's decision to hold no press conference after the G20.
Trump believes he has a right to privacy when on POTUS business.. and well it seems he does...
Trump G20:
ABC Australian National News Broadcaster:
ABC Australian National News Broadcaster:
"Donald Trump has a particular, and limited, skill-set. He has correctly identified an illness at the heart of the Western democracy. But he has no cure for it and seems to just want to exploit it.
He is a character drawn from America's wild west, a traveling medicine showman selling moonshine remedies that will kill the patient.
And this week he underlined he has neither the desire nor the capacity to lead the world"
and,
"So, what did we learn this week?
We learned Mr Trump has pressed fast forward on the decline of the US as a global leader. He managed to diminish his nation and to confuse and alienate his allies."
src: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...ce-indicate-us-decline-as-world-power/8691538
He is a character drawn from America's wild west, a traveling medicine showman selling moonshine remedies that will kill the patient.
And this week he underlined he has neither the desire nor the capacity to lead the world"
and,
"So, what did we learn this week?
We learned Mr Trump has pressed fast forward on the decline of the US as a global leader. He managed to diminish his nation and to confuse and alienate his allies."
src: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...ce-indicate-us-decline-as-world-power/8691538
Very apropos.
Trump's solution to Russian cyber hacking of the US election is analogous to letting the fox into the hen house in order to prevent the fox from breaking into the hen house. Trump, in his secret Russian meeting, agreed to a task force with the Russians in order to prevent Russians from hacking into our elections. Well that makes a hell of a lot of sense! While you are at it just give them the keys to your front door as well.
Why the hell does Trump want to stop the Russians from helping him win US elections? He doesn't. It really is that simple. The "Thrumper" and Puti have a real cozy relationship going. Why would Thrumper want to end it? He doesn't.
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I think your Australian broadcaster is spot-on. Trump is a snake oil salesman: nothing more, nothing less. And keep in mind, only about 36% of America is buying what Trump is selling. Where it not for the undemocratic aspects of American government Trump would not be POTUS.
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More of a bullshit merchant really.Sad for the USA to have that excuse for an individual as their leader but some of them clearly deserve it.
Well, it looks like a smoking gun:
"President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.
The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner only recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.
The Times reported the existence of the meeting on Saturday. But in subsequent interviews, the advisers and others revealed the motivation behind it.
The meeting — at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican nomination — points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin’s meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help.
And while President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and the Russians, the episode at Trump Tower is the first such confirmed private meeting involving members of his inner circle during the campaign — as well as the first one known to have included his eldest son. It came at an inflection point in the campaign, when Donald Trump Jr., who served as an adviser and a surrogate, was ascendant and Mr. Manafort was consolidating power.
It is unclear whether the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, actually produced the promised compromising information about Mrs. Clinton. But the people interviewed by The Times about the meeting said the expectation was that she would do so.
In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. “After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”
He said she then turned the conversation to adoption of Russian children and the Magnitsky Act, an American law that blacklists suspected Russian human rights abusers. The law so enraged President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia that he retaliated by halting American adoptions of Russian children.
“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.
When he was first asked about the meeting on Saturday, he said only that it was primarily about adoptions and mentioned nothing about Mrs. Clinton." - New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/...column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html
"President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.
The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner only recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.
The Times reported the existence of the meeting on Saturday. But in subsequent interviews, the advisers and others revealed the motivation behind it.
The meeting — at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican nomination — points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin’s meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help.
And while President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and the Russians, the episode at Trump Tower is the first such confirmed private meeting involving members of his inner circle during the campaign — as well as the first one known to have included his eldest son. It came at an inflection point in the campaign, when Donald Trump Jr., who served as an adviser and a surrogate, was ascendant and Mr. Manafort was consolidating power.
It is unclear whether the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, actually produced the promised compromising information about Mrs. Clinton. But the people interviewed by The Times about the meeting said the expectation was that she would do so.
In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. “After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”
He said she then turned the conversation to adoption of Russian children and the Magnitsky Act, an American law that blacklists suspected Russian human rights abusers. The law so enraged President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia that he retaliated by halting American adoptions of Russian children.
“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.
When he was first asked about the meeting on Saturday, he said only that it was primarily about adoptions and mentioned nothing about Mrs. Clinton." - New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/...column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html
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