The Trump Presidency

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James R said:
I'm out of touch because I don't think sexual assault - of men or women or children - is right? What's wrong with you?

You're apparently willing to defend an Epstein merely on the grounds that he's rich so he gets to do what he wants in your book. Next you'll be telling me it's his natural right to abuse minors.

I'm not sure where eggheads fit into anything.
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No, we were talking about Trump. I never said nor implied that Epstein was anything but a rapist, much less defended him. Hence contrasting "a man simply und1erstanding women" and "rapist". Maybe work on your reading comprehension.

Eggheads are just a common example of people with poor social skills. You know, those who share your complete befuddlement with men understanding women.

And you say leftists have no sense of humour.
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Even as humor, it exposes your bias.
 
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Vociferous said:
No, we were talking about Trump. I never said not implied that Epstein was anything but a rapist, much less defended him.
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That's nice...:rolleyes:
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-epstein-friendship-timeline-history-2019-7?r=US&IR=T
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Also in 1992, Epstein and Trump were reportedly the only men to attend a party at Trump’s private Mar-a-Largo club. They were joined by about 28 women for a “calendar girl” competition that Trump had requested, a former Trump associate told The New York Times.

A 2016 lawsuit alleged that Trump raped a 13-year-old girl in Epstein’s Manhattan residence in 1994. The suit was voluntarily dismissed on November 4, 2016. The suit alleged that Epstein raped her afterwards and then the pair told her that she and her family would be killed if she ever spoke about what happened. The suit also alleged that Trump attended at least four parties at the residence.
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And here's a real humdinger of an article, with regards to that bastion of right wing news outlets, and their dishonesty and lies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
and here.....
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...enly-cropping-trump-out-of-photo-with-epstein
Fox News apologizes for 'mistakenly' cropping Trump out of photo with Epstein, Maxwell:

 
Vociferous said:
No, we were talking about Trump. I never said nor implied that Epstein was anything but a rapist, much less defended him. Hence contrasting "a man simply und1erstanding women" and "rapist". Maybe work on your reading comprehension.
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You'd have to be a fool not to notice that Trump and Epstein shared a close relationship and that Trump had enjoyed the services offered by his now "terminated" friend.

It only takes a little research to realise the probable association with a well known "secret" boys club headed by an English Royal, a boys club that also is associated with white supremacists and some serious gender bias against women.
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...and has been a significant player in the evolution of the USA since inception. ( re: George Washington's membership)
That it is no accident that a certain Prince has been implicated.

It can't be helped that Trump fits the profile almost perfectly and while his membership will probably never be confirmed he certainly makes great membership marketing material.
Do you know of the organization I am referring to?
Do you realise how deep this organization may be "secretly" embedded in USA governance and intelligence/law enforcement services?
Does it concern you that members of the USA governance and law enforcement MAY be vexed in their allegiances?
Are you a member of this organization?
For surely your posting content supports such a proposition.
Events over the last 4 years strongly suggest that the notion of a shadow government is more than just a conspiracy theory.
 
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paddoboy said:
A 2016 lawsuit alleged that Trump raped a 13-year-old girl in Epstein’s Manhattan residence in 1994. The suit was voluntarily dismissed on November 4, 2016. The suit alleged that Epstein raped her afterwards and then the pair told her that she and her family would be killed if she ever spoke about what happened. The suit also alleged that Trump attended at least four parties at the residence.
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see my post above...

How many serious allegations have been made and then suddenly withdrawn "voluntarily"? (rhetorical)
 
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The US is seeing around 50,000 cases every day, NZ sees a high of 13 cases for the second time in the last few days and Trump claims there's a big surge of cases in NZ.

He goes on to say that NZ was trying to show him (not the world) something, they beat the virus, now it's back and the conclusion is behind door number two. He actually says "they beat it because they were trying to show me something".

The message is, we should have ignored them all and listened to him.
 
why do they care more about 9/11 than they care about covid_19 ?
that is what is puzzling me from a human psychological perspective

is the pre conditioned fear that has been indoctrinated into them so prevalent that they simply ignore the massive pile of 150,000 dead bodies ?

is there some type of larger aspect of human psychology involved ?

do different cultures have different values on life ?
how does that play out with the massive number of covid_19 dead ?

is there any link between the thinking of WW1 when they sent millions to their needles deaths ?
is there some type of human psychological lack of empathy involved ?
 
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Vociferous said:
. Some women will do just about anything for a rich man. That's a fact of life. But God forfend any man understand that and act on it, huh?
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So you are admitting that your guy there - Trump - did act according to that "understanding" of "some women".

It's also a fact of life that some men will do illegal favors for a rich man, commit crimes for money or other benefits a rich man can provide, do harm to others in the interests of a rich and powerful man for the rewards he will bestow upon them. How would you recommend we deal with a rich man in office who acts on that understanding of some men, thereby profiting at the citizenry's expense from his holding of public office?
 
geordief said:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1286675192585093126

One of Sarah Cooper's better efforts

She is a cure for dry eyes :)
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In the Twitterfeed comments, the punch-line (coffee cup drop) connection with the movie "The Usual Suspects" seems to have been de-emphasized. Shame to miss it - her invocation of the Kevin Spacey character and the respectables's take on him has levels.

For the un-in:
(around 1:30 +)

Cooper is getting deeper at this. Fun to see.
(There's a chance even that the sniffs echoed the coffee slurps in Usual Suspects, sinking the Dems another inch below waterline - can't be ruled out. Will have to repeat watch all her stuff from now on).
 
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Records indicate that WJC had more contact with Epstein than DJT did. Given WJC's history it is not a surprise.
Epstein was barred from DJT's club a year before he was indicted. Rumor has it that Epstein made inappropriate advances to a member's underage daughter.
 
candy said:
Records indicate that WJC had more contact with Epstein than DJT did. Given WJC's history it is not a surprise.
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DJT has a much worse "history" than Clinton. That's not relevant.

Epstein was dealing for power and connection - he would not have had nearly as much interest in a bankrupt con man in hock to the Russian mob as he would have in somebody like Clinton.
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Epstein was barred from DJT's club a year before he was indicted. Rumor has it that Epstein made inappropriate advances to a member's underage daughter.
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Unsurprising. Also unsurprising that he was apparently a member in good standing for years, all during the time he was running his pedo operation on his private island - right up until the law got hold of him for real.

A cynical person might notice that Trump's style and operations were much more likely sources of the persistent rumor of sex rings with high level political connections being run out of private clubs and rich people's estates than Clinton's. Clinton didn't have any clubs in the first place.
 
If memory serves DJT took 1 trip to the island ; Clinton was a regular who left his SS protection at home when visiting the island.
 
Trump classic:
"The only way we loose is if the election is rigged"




and more disturbingly he foretells his push for a third term...
at the moment he appears to be joking but he is deliberately planting the seeds for his next bout with the constitution alla Erdogan and Putin style...
 
candy said:
If memory serves DJT took 1 trip to the island ; Clinton was a regular who left his SS protection at home when visiting the island.
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and I suppose that makes DJT's behavior justifiable?
Clinton's visits if he ever did, didn't lead to the assassination of Epstein.

btw I think you'll find Ghislaine Maxwell to be a bit more careful about protecting herself than her boss Epstein was... ( ie. incriminating material uploaded onto various anonymous web servers etc sort of protection...**)
It will be interesting how this saga develops ...

(**) One of the easiest ways to extort, blackmail, intimidate etc, is to upload secured encrypted files with incriminating evidence, on to numerous public servers around the globe with an "On event of" auto mailing list attached. Just about any one can do it and it costs virtually nothing to do.
 
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Donald Trump even banned Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago. The ban was because Epstein was being inappropriate with a guest’s underage daughter.
The friendship was well over by 2008 after Jeffrey Epstein was found guilty of soliciting a prostitute and soliciting a minor.
https://filmdaily.co/news/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump/
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I couldn't find any credible source claiming Trump flew on Epstein's plane or visited his island. But:
Bill Clinton leans back and smiles while receiving neck massage from Epstein victim, 22
Clinton's office previously issued a statement in regards to his travels on the plane and denied knowing anything about the financier's crimes.

His team said he had only taken four trips with him in 2002 and 2003 - although flight logs showed he had taken a total of at least 26 individual flights in the course of those years.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ving-neck-massage-Jeffrey-Epstein-victim.html

And as an aside, for our Aussies:
Why former Australian PM's daughter visited billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein's New York lair with Prince Andrew
Former Australian prime minister Paul Keating's daughter Katherine made international headlines last month after video emerged of her leaving paedophile Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion in 2010.

Keating, who was 29 at the time, was pictured leaving the dead billionaire's Manhattan townhouse and being waved at by Prince Andrew nine years ago.

She visited Epstein's home after he was released from a US prison after pleading guilty to child sex charges.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-New-York-lair.html​

At least Bill Clinton cut off ties with Epstein after he was charged with a crime.

And speaking of people being friends with rapists:
 
Vociferous

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Do you seriously think Clinton would be stupid enough to voluntarily pose for a picture with a minor that he intended to rape?

and what does that have to do with the current situation with your POTUS?
All you are saying is that Trump was doing the same stuff and therefore accusing DJT of doing like wise...
Well done!
I am sure Maxwell has a few things to add if she fails to survive Trumps and his cronies machinations.
 
Quantum Quack said:
Seriously!
You don't understand the issue at hand at all...

Why is she considered to be a victim then?
and he poses for a voluntary photo... oh please ....are you that agenda driven?
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Seems you can't be bothered to simply read the linked article. She went to a private island with Clinton and Epstein, and claims she was raped by Epstein several times.
If anyone knew what Epstein was up to, it was Clinton.
 
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