Why should believe what you are saying As for me people who look into stars are a bunch storytellers
That is my point the ancients looked at the stars, the Sun and the Moon and made up stories such as the birth of Jesus, such as death and resurrection.
You don't have to believe me however what I say is history you can find reliable commentary easily on the net if you look.
That way you can see there is substance in what I suggest.
I have not made this up and you ignore it because I expect it would be unthinkable that your faith has blinded you to historic fact.
Your truth for me is the one of a used car salesman
Attempting to insult me is a waste of time.
It merely shows you have nothing of substance to offer as counter to the historical facts I offer.
Tendering insults will erode your position and try as you may you can not upset me with insults.
The truth is not hurt by insult.
My post # 32 should have told you that I am not sure the star will stand in one place for over and shine directly on one object, everyone would have noticed . so you are convinced by your partner on my positio,
I do not understand what you mean.
Who is my partner in your eye.
My only partner is truth.
Why should I believe you that the story of Jesus is a ripoff, who are you and what experience do you have spiritual matters ?
I am not asking you to believe me.
I suggested that you seek the truth yourself.
I rate you as a very intelligent man and I merely rely upon my high opinion of you that you are more than capable of finding evidence for yourself in support of the matters I raise.
If you want to turn your back I have no problem with that that is your choice but not to acknowledge what I lay before you is not a fair account of how Christianity evolved simply avoids the history.
Do you not think it odd that Herod's supposed killings of the children were overlooked by history.
What has my experience in spiritual matter have to do with pointing out history...history that you can find if you look.
I don't know if you know more on ancient history then I , with your comments in the god Sun
I find it interesting.
In times where everyone was involved in agriculture the movements of the Sun, Moon and stars provided a calendar.
In our times we have no reason to follow the seasons because we are not farmers but in ancient times seasons were important.
The Sun, the Moon and stars were all seen as Gods.
Think of Rome and the names of their Gods.. Planets.
As I said the Egyptian priests / astronomers could tell the Nile would flood two weeks after observing the rise of Sirius.
Powerful and useful stuff.
Eventually the Kings would claim relationship with the God.(the Sun).look it is history if you want to know read it.
There is even suggestion that Orion was used to lay out where pyramids were placed particularly referencing the stars known as the three kings.
If you want to learn you need to read more than the bible.
The truth is something relative to us , so you can keep your truth and I keep mine.
Of course. And there is no reason to change your faith but I think you would find it interesting to learn about where the birth death and resurrection came from and why Jesus had twelve followers it can be traced back to astronomy and farming.
I take your third paragraph , you are talking to me as an other preacher. but to me you are showing your ignorance in history.
Well first let me apologise if you took it that I was talking down to you, Sincerely I do not mean to and say I respect you and from the little I know of you say I like you.
I could not say I am not ignorant, no one can say that...I don't know what I don't know, but I read all I can and try to be informed.
I know my unkind assessment of the New Testament must be upsetting for you and I am sorry but I can only express my findings which I first found difficult because Christianity is the foundation of how I live on a moral level.
I believe the teachings even if not from Jesus have merit and I live an honest life free of hate etc so it is hard to live in a manner suggested by someone who you doubt ever lived or who words were not necessarily recorded correctly.
But I think understanding how it all came to be is interesting.
The ( astrologers ) modern astronomers are spreading their nonsense for ages , things that are not palpable , so they use big numbers . So people tend to believe them as we are debating
the star in bethlehem.
I think to debate something that is not reasonably established a waste of time but if you want a book that will sell well write about the star of Jesus, write about the flood of Noah etc great books or movies and great to make money.
Same as UFOs there is s huge market.
Thank you for taking the time to address my posts I can understand how confronting I must be to you and happily overlook any hint of insult and say you have conducted your presentation as a gentleman, good luck and fortune be with you.
Alex
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Unfortunately I'm not at home on my computer at the moment. I'm posting from my iPhone. As soon as I get home I'll post supporting references.