the spirit of truth or deception?
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The Evelyonian
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ellion said:
Actually the serpent was a bit "economical" with the truth himself. The serpent told Eve she would not die, that was a lie. Both Adam and Eve died as a result of their sin.
The Evelyonian said:
you are reading this tale LITERALLY without any seemig insight as to the interpretation the patriarcha put onto the much more ancinet understanding of immortality.
You have to know that the Fruit referred to is eternal knowledge. this was the hallucinogenic fruit of the Goddess myth. For example, the images of Tree, Fruit and Serpent are ripped off from other myths--whcih we Goddess oriented, as Monica Sjoo And Barbara Mor, Joseph Campbell, and others have pointed out
The SERPENT is a very ancient symbol symbolizing immortality. ie., in the way it sloughs off its skin, this and other associations represented immortality as via CYCLIC transformation.
What the patriarchs did/ including the ones who wrote that tale of the Garden of Eden, is SUBVERT that originry meaning to mean 'immortality' equals EVERLASTING life. and THEN DEMONIZES the very FRUIT that inspired the more ancinet insight
I.e., it is demonizing the Goddess' earth religious worldview!
its also ambiguous, cause it does hint that the fruit form the 'Tree of Life' will confer immortality , but as you see 'God' prohibits us from HAVING the Fruit. Unlike the freedom to partake of it in Goddess' times
The Evelyonian
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duendy said:
I agree. The Bible says Eve saw the fruit was good for wisdom.
The serpent is also a very ancient symbol of evil.duendy said:
duendy said:
Maybe I missed something but what does symbolic fruit have to do with a goddess?
duendy said:
Read Revelation. It says that in the future man will have free access to the tree of life.
The Evelyonian said:
hah...a bit too late when we're all nuked
the Fruit should never have been forbidden in the First place. what are we ...KIDs, and these patriarchal-myth-spinners are our PARENTS who tell us what we can eat and drink?...not so! though they STILL are doing same with their war on [SOME] drugs
The Evelyonian
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ellion said:
The hebrew translation of "die" can also be "know death".
The Evelyonian
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ellion said:
You will eat from the tree of life if you overcome. The tree of life is in Heaven.
The Evelyonian
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ellion said:
They still died just as God said they would.
The Evelyonian said:
my point was,
god said they would die in that day. they didnt.
the serpent said their eyes would be opened, they where.
if god where telling the "truth". he would have said something like:
"for in the day that you eat thereof your eyes will be opened you will see things as i see them, but you will die 900 years later after having children. i could grant you immortality by the fruit of the tree of life. but i'll let my son do that when he is dead."
maybe then the man could have made an informed choice.
The Evelyonian
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Look at the hebrew word for "day" that is used in that verse. It does not always refer to a 24 hour period. It can mean any space of time.ellion said:
(If you're using a "Strong's Concordance" it's number 3117)
the serpent uses the same term so;
god says in that 'space/time' that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die
the sepernt says in that 'space/time' ye eat thereof your eyes shall be opened and ye shal be as gods
who's statement is the most acurate, considering they died 900 years later but their eyes where opened the very same day(or space/time)?
god says in that 'space/time' that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die
the sepernt says in that 'space/time' ye eat thereof your eyes shall be opened and ye shal be as gods
who's statement is the most acurate, considering they died 900 years later but their eyes where opened the very same day(or space/time)?
Do we die?ellion said:
Do we die?
Are we as gods?
Are we wise? Is there a difference between "knowledge" and "wisdom"? Are we completely like gods or only when it comes to knowledge? Are we ready to live forever?