Re: Bambi...
Originally posted by Jan Ardena
It is not religion that is taught, it is the re-awakening to ones real identity which is taught.
Oh I see. The re-awakening has nothing to do with religion. Sheesh, what was I thinking... :bugeye:
Once you become self-realised you are then in a position to understand what religion is, until then you are just speculating, rumaging around in the dark.
So unless you believe in reincarnation, you're just speculating and rumaging around in the dark. That's not religion either. My goodness, I had it all wrong!
What you will never understand, so long as you are in ignorance, is that religion is natural for the soul, in the same way air is natural for the body.
IOW, you are in ignorance as long as you don't believe that religion is natural for the soul. Wow, that's deep stuff. Doesn't smell too good, but it's sure deep.
There is not one human being on this planet that does not have some concept of God, that is part of being a human being, even the demoniac.
Which of course means that
you have either never met such a human being or conveniently ignored them upon meeting them. Either that or you have personal insight into the mind of every human being on this planet (oh mighty Jan Ardena, I am in awe of your powers.
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Well, I suppose you've never heard of Buddhists. Strange, since they are very common throughout Asia. And you also seem to be under an impression that there is not a single atheist on this planet.
There is also one thing you need to understand (even if you aren't able to.) For an atheist to call out to any god is something like calling out to Barney the Purple Dinosaur. It's just that ridiculous to call out to an imaginary entity.
And you call yourself unbiased. Is that according to scripture too?
I don’t recall calling myself anything.
I'm sorry for my presumption. You are biased, and I should have never assumed otherwise. I apologize.
You will know when it is working because you will have less stress, and be able to reason more objectively, but it doesn’t mean that you do not form oppinions. Its just that your conclusions, would have come about through superior understanding.
Huh? You'll hear the same exact thing from anyone, including atheists. And everybody claims
they are the ones who have it right. In the light of which it ain't much of an argument for anything.
In this world there are what you term ‘the total number of religions’ but in truth there can be only one religion.
Yours. Of course, what was I thinking...
You know, you are the perfect representiation of a typical religionist. Stereotypical even.
Sanatana Dharma is direct religion, directly from the source of religion, it is the perfection of religion, it means the eternal occupation of the soul.
Most humans, especially in this time, cannot adhere directly to it, so it is distributed by various teachers at various times, according to the peoples particular consciousness level, thereby creating a step by step guide, to get to the point of Sanatan Dharma.
Man, gives different names to these different steps, and over time, through ignorance, forgets the point of these different steps, until you get to the point of ‘atheism.’
Well, I'm so glad to finally hear The Truth. Oh wait, I've already heard it from the Christians on this board, and it sounded different. But of course, you do not see yourself as anything like them; you are above and beyond, you are special. Just keep telling yourself that, it might help with your self-esteem, oh enlightened one.
On the other hand, you probably wouldn't like the historical facts on this issue. The earliest religions were animistic, from which shamanistic religions arose. Polytheistic religions are newer still, and monotheistic religions are their latest outgrowth. Yours seems to be monotheistic and possibly bordering on pantheism (I'm not that familiar with it, so I'm not very sure about where it fits in the grand scheme of things.) But the point is you aren't espousing some ancient belief; what you are preaching is quite new historically speaking.
Atheism is a ‘word’ which describes a person who denies the existence of God, and that’s it.
It seems to me you and others try and give more importance to this word.
Yeah, and Sanatana Dharma is two words which describe a person who preaches a particular brand of The Truth. It seems to me you and others try and give more importance to these two words.
Of course, it might have never occured to you that you are talking with an atheist (though how you managed to miss that, I cannot possibly imagine.) So when I'm telling you what atheism means you ought to pay more attention since you aren't talking with a word but with a human being who is explaining their state of mind to you.
Atheism is not just a denial of your particular religious doctrine, but it is the denial of all past, present, and future religious doctrines.
Who said it was a denial of a particular religion, not me, that’s for sure.
See!
Even you, can understand that God is eternal.
Your learning my boy.
I'll ignore the condescending "my boy" and assume it's just a sign of irritation on the part of the enlightened one. Either that, or it's his way of achieving complete stress relief.
Now, of course I have my doubts that you could ever understand what I understand (there is no God.) What we are discussing here are beliefs held by people and passed from one generation to the next -- IOW, cultural constructs.
Atheism is the darkness, and well you know. Even though you deny.
Deny? Atheism is lack of belief in any god. That's the literal translation of the word; that's where its Latin origins are.
As for darkness, it's only a metaphor. You're so eager to blow it up into something it is not, and I understand, I really do. So you can invest your energy into something more meaningful, because I get it.
But tell me, how would you know what atheism is or is not, if you have no memory of it? If you have never experienced it as a rational adult?
It is also the natural state of mind because all humans are born atheist. Thus atheism is the fundamental position, while religions are superficial and spurious.
Prove it!
Look a newborn in the eye, and ask: "what is the origin of the universe?" You'll see a perfect reflection of your own ignorance in those innocent baby eyes.
You won’t really know whether you are a true atheist or religionist until you are properly tested.
A lot of people claim to be atheist because they are rebelious, in the same way unruly children say they hate their parents, because everything is just fine and dandy at that point in their lives. The truth is, they are spoilt, and don’t really know what is in their best interest. But like unruly children, they may suddenly come to their senses because of a sudden brush with reality.
My turn to tell you that you don't truly understand atheism. You are assuming way too much about people based on nothing but their statement that they reject all religion.
If not, then they are atheist/demoniac and will have account for their transgression.
Ooo, this almost sounds like a threat. So tell me, does your religion condemn the unbelievers for their infidelity? Come on, surprise me, tell me it ain't so.
He doesn’t realise that Sanatana Dharma is truth and knowledge and everything else is an illusion.
Hehhheheheeheeeeee. Ahhhahahahaa. Oh boy, you're killing me here!
So tell me, o wise one, how did you happen to arrive at such knowledge, and how is it that you are so certain about the truth of that knowledge? Have you ever even considered the nature and origins of knowledge? Ever delved into epistemology?
If there are two cows eating in a field, the farmer comes and shoots one dead for the purposes of slaughter, the live cow may flinch and react for a moment, but shortly after will resume eating, blissfully unaware that she is next.
That is the position of an ignorant person.
Indeed. Worse yet, the surviving cow will proceed to teach the same bliss to its calves. Matter of fact, it will convince them that it is still alive only because it knows the true path in life (and the dead cow was wrong.) Ah, the religionist cattle -- how you do crie out for a shepherd.
