But perhaps you are able to offer some evidence to show how, and why this singularity started to expand....and where it came from.
I have some personal speculative scenarios if you would like to here them.
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The Relativity of Time
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But perhaps you are able to offer some evidence to show how, and why this singularity started to expand....and where it came from.
I have some personal speculative scenarios if you would like to here them.
I have some personal speculative scenarios if you would like to here them.
No I wouldn't like to hear them. Start a new thread if you want to do that.
No I wouldn't like to hear them. Start a new thread if you want to do that.
Yes, I understand...a sidetrack from your actual subject matter.
In essence, and aligned with the title of your thread, yes time [and space] is relative.
And that relative nature enforces the reality of it.
Yes, I understand...a sidetrack from your actual subject matter.
In essence, and aligned with the title of your thread, yes time [and space] is relative.
And that relative nature enforces the reality of it.
Yet it is GR that predicts timelessness, something you said the other day was nonsense. It's been around longer than you have been around.
Yet it is GR that predicts timelessness, something you said the other day was nonsense. It's been around longer than you have been around.
GR does not predict timelessness....and it is nonsense to claim anything else.
Time exists, and has since t=10-43 seconds.
If it didn't, we wouldn't be here...nor would the Universe.
GR does not predict timelessness....and it is nonsense to claim anything else.
If time exists, I am a second from actually reporting you. You are trolling, I've given you plenty material to support the contention that global time disappears from GR, do this one more time, contradict me, and I will report you for intentionally not reading material and derailing the post from better discussion. One last time, here is a link you can read to prove that timelessness is a real phenomenon in GR, and it is taken seriously!
Now stop trolling!
http://arxiv.org/abs/0909.1861
If time exists, I am a second from actually reporting you. You are trolling, I've given you plenty material to support the contention that global time disappears from GR, do this one more time, contradict me, and I will report you for intentionally not reading material and derailing the post from better discussion. One last time, here is a link you can read to prove that timelessness is a real phenomenon in GR, and it is taken seriously!
Now stop trolling!
http://arxiv.org/abs/0909.1861
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http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm
Albert Einstein and the Fabric of Time
Surprising as it may be to most non-scientists and even to some scientists, Albert Einstein concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. In 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes:
Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence.
Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now. He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."
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And I could give [which I have throughout this forum] other links disputing your claim
And if you see the need to threaten me again, it maybe me reporting you...now calm down and take it easy.
Common sense, as well as Occam's razor, says that space and time were evolved from the BB.
That's how the BB theory stands...If you want to refute it, then go ahead.....but please get your nonsense peer reviewed.
If not, you are pissing in the wind.
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https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/a11332.html
Experiments continue to show that there is no 'space' that stands apart from space-time itself...no arena in which matter, energy and gravity operate which is not affected by matter, energy and gravity. General relativity tells us that what we call space is just another feature of the gravitational field of the universe, so space and space-time can and do not exist apart from the matter and energy that creates the gravitational field. This is not speculation, but sound observation.
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A previous post of mine of a link that you have never addressed.
Now what you need to do is refine your faulty thinking about time and the necessity of it.
Without time, and space, we would not be here, and neither would the Universe.
A previous post of mine of a link that you have never addressed.
Now what you need to do is refine your faulty thinking about time and the necessity of it.
Without time, and space, we would not be here, and neither would the Universe.
What are you linking me to? This says
''Can space exist by itself without matter or energy around?''
This isn't about whether time is fundamental. The answer of course is no, space can't exist without matter or energy. They are a fundamental system of ingredients within the framework of General Relativity.
The point is whether space-time is fundamental, I've provided you several links which you have just ignored. I am glad I ignored this one, because clearly it's not the same question.
If time exists, I am a second from actually reporting you. You are trolling, I've given you plenty material to support the contention that global time disappears from GR, do this one more time, contradict me, and I will report you for intentionally not reading material and derailing the post from better discussion. One last time, here is a link you can read to prove that timelessness is a real phenomenon in GR, and it is taken seriously!
Now stop trolling!
http://arxiv.org/abs/0909.1861
It seems if one reads the paper you reference (I have not finished it but do have a copy), the author presents the issue as split among theorists, some for and some against. That said the following is from the first paragraph of the paper,
But for the purposes of this essay, we will stay on the fairly hard science and I will argue that time exists ...
Seems the hard science, from the author's perspective, is against your point of view.
The point is whether space-time is fundamental, I've provided you several links which you have just ignored. I am glad I ignored this one, because clearly it's not the same question.
The point is, that according to the BB, space and time is fundamental...and as real as one another.
The other point of course in the link, seems to present a reality of all the GR concepts of space, time, space/time, gravity, matter, energy.
The point is, that according to the BB, space and time is fundamental...and as real as one another.
Within the framework based on loosely defined principles, space and time can be united as some kind of geometrical artifact, but's it's nothing more than a fanciful conjecture, a mathematical abstract of change.
Damn... paddo... when are you going to give up? Even the founding father of modern relativity, Albert Einstein himself alluded to this wonderful static world that relativity predicts, in his theory, worldlines where static and time was an illusion. If you object to this fine, do it in the pseudoscience area because most of us already knows what his contentions where on the subject. He should know if anyone does, he was the one who bloody created the theory!
Damn... paddo... when are you going to give up? Even the founding father of modern relativity, Albert Einstein himself alluded to this wonderful static world that relativity predicts, in his theory, worldlines where static and time was an illusion. If you object to this fine, do it in the pseudoscience area because most of us already knows what his contentions where on the subject. He should know if anyone does, he was the one who bloody created the theory!
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http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm
Surprising as it may be to most non-scientists and even to some scientists, Albert Einstein concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. In 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes:
Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence.
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When are you going to get your facts right?
Within the framework based on loosely defined principles, space and time can be united as some kind of geometrical artifact, but's it's nothing more than a fanciful conjecture, a mathematical abstract of change.
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Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.
Hermann Minkowski
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/hermann_minkowski.html#1tDrgbJrQmxf8Djh.99
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You're now a spammer? Moved up in the world have we? I've acknowledged your links three times now, continuously posting them as replies to questions is pretty much spamming paddo.
You're now a spammer? Moved up in the world have we? I've acknowledged your links three times now, continuously posting them as replies to questions is pretty much spamming paddo.
No, you claim nonsense, I'm just countering them... :shrug:
And I have never offered Hermann Minkowski's quote before, and I don't believe you have ever commented on the Einstein link either.
No, you claim nonsense, I'm just countering them... :shrug:.
.... so you do this, by quoting my questions to you by sending me links to the previous unrelated crap you have shown me before?
When someone asks you a question, they expect you to be able to answer it consistently. You've not done that, you're just a retard who I am putting on block.
.... so you do this, by quoting my questions to you by sending me links to the previous unrelated crap you have shown me before?
When someone asks you a question, they expect you to be able to answer it consistently. You've not done that, you're just a retard who I am putting on block.
Again, calm down...whether you put me on block or not, is neither here nor there.
I've given you reputable links refuting your nonsense...the existence of time, and its reality, is not written away with some questionable maths, nor with any "less then positive " paper that Onlyme has questioned and to which is met with deafening silence by you.
It seems that actually is another example of your lack of certainty in this pet theory you are in bed with.