The Relativity of Simultaneity

arfa brane said:
You have claimed, repeatedly, that the measured speed of light depends on the absolute velocity of the frame the measurement is made in. Using logic, that means you can't determine the actual speed of light by measuring it in any frame which is moving.
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No, using logic, since I know the absolute velocity of the frame, then I also know the speed of light. I've shown this mathematically several times. Again your logic fails you. You should stop using your logic since it keeps failing you like that. Your logic is obviously undependable.
 
Motor Daddy: these questions are a waste of time because you will most likely ignore them, but here we go anyway.

Do you know why the speed of light is determined? Was it determined by human beings, and if so, do you know how it was determined?

Can you explain why the speed of light has been measured in the past, considering there is no need to do this? Can you explain why scientists would waste their time confirming something they already know? Can you explain how they came to know before they measured it?


I don't think you can, I don't think you will try either, which will affirm my growing belief that it's a waste of time for anyone to discuss this topic with you, because you have never really had any intent to discuss it, you only want to obsess over your precious "facts" and waste everyone's time.
 
arfa brane said:
Motor Daddy: these questions are a waste of time because you will most likely ignore them, but here we go anyway.
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They are wasting my time, and yours if you fail to accept the answers and keep pretending that you are right.

arfa brane said:
Do you know why the speed of light is determined? Was it determined by human beings, and if so, do you know how it was determined?
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You never understood the concept of the dltios unit of measure and the speed of light being 1 dltios/second did you? Obviously you didn't otherwise you wouldn't keep asking the same question over and over.

Light travels at a constant speed in a vacuum. It is simply a constant, therefore, we can use that constant to base our unit of measure of distance, the meter, or the dltios. Since we use the constant speed of light to define the meter as a specific time of light travel, the speed of light is defined when speaking in terms of the unit of measure "meter" just as the speed of light using the units "dltios" is 1 dltios/second. I don't need to measure the speed of light using the units dltios, the speed of light is automatically defined because the dltios is defined by light travel time.

arfa brane said:
Can you explain why the speed of light has been measured in the past, considering there is no need to do this? Can you explain why scientists would waste their time confirming something they already know? Can you explain how they came to know before they measured it?
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In the past the meter was not defined by the length of the path light travels in vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second. It is now though, so deal with it! They are in fact wasting their time measuring the speed of light. It is defined, it doesn't change. If they measure something other than 299,792,458 m/s and assume their frame to be at rest, they simply have either measured improperly, or they have failed to account for their frame's velocity. It really is as simple as that. The speed of light doesn't change, it is defined.


arfa brane said:
I don't think you can, I don't think you will try either, which will affirm my growing belief that it's a waste of time for anyone to discuss this topic with you, because you have never really had any intent to discuss it, you only want to obsess over your precious "facts" and waste everyone's time.
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See, there you go again relying on your "logic" and once again it has failed you and lead to an incorrect conclusion. You really should start paying attention to reality instead of your "logic."
 
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Motor Daddy: I'm afraid I can't respond to your last post.
I will not be wasting any more time trying to get you involved in a discussion you obviously don't want to have.

I will feel some sympathy with anyone who does try.
The speed of stupidity is defined, it's a waste of time trying to measure it.

Y'all have fun trying to convince a bunch of internet posters Einstein got it wrong, won't you? I just know you will because it's no fun when you try it with people who understand what Einstein was saying (not that I'm claiming I do, well, not that much, but I do understand the Lorentz transform and why it's used, and why it works, and why your "theory" which isn't even halfassed, is completely useless).
 
arfa brane said:
Motor Daddy: I'm afraid I can't respond to your last post.
I will not be wasting any more time trying to get you involved in a discussion you obviously don't want to have.

I will feel some sympathy with anyone who does try.
The speed of stupidity is defined, it's a waste of time trying to measure it.

Y'all have fun trying to convince a bunch of internet posters Einstein got it wrong, won't you? I just know you will because it's no fun when you try it with people who understand what Einstein was saying (not that I'm claiming I do, well, not that much, but I do understand the Lorentz transform and why it's used, and why it works, and why your "theory" which isn't even halfassed, is completely useless).
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Once again you've shown you're not interested in the reality, just what you want to believe. By all means, stick with those beliefs if it makes you happy. Ignorance is in fact, bliss!!
 
Motor Daddy said:
Once again you've shown you're not interested in the reality, just what you want to believe. By all means, stick with those beliefs if it makes you happy. Ignorance is in fact, bliss!!
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Yes, there's something you can identify with, eh?
 
Well I hate the thought of a troll going hungry so:

Motor Daddy said:
You never understood the concept of the dltios unit of measure and the speed of light being 1 dltios/second did you?
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So what you define as a dltios another person might define as a light second. So how do you know what the speed of light is? This is obviously required for the measurement of the dltios.
 
origin said:
Well I hate the thought of a troll going hungry so:



So what you define as a dltios another person might define as a light second. So how do you know what the speed of light is? This is obviously required for the measurement of the dltios.
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Are you asking me how I know the speed of light is 1 dltios/second using the unit dltios as a unit of measure of distance, or are you asking me how I know the speed of light is constant in a vacuum?
 
Motor Daddy said:
Are you asking me how I know the speed of light is 1 dltios/second using the unit dltios as a unit of measure of distance, or are you asking me how I know the speed of light is constant in a vacuum?
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Neither, all I am asking how do you know what the speed of light is?
 
Motor Daddy said:
Let's start from the beginning.

Do you agree that light traverses a vacuum at a constant speed?
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You are so transparent that I will bet you don't even refract light.

Please humor me and just tell me how you know what the speed of light is.
 
origin said:
You are so transparent that I will bet you don't even refract light.

Please humor me and just tell me how you know what the speed of light is.
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Please humor me and answer the question. Do you agree light travels in a vacuum at a constant speed?
 
origin said:
Yes.

Now it is your turn to answer my question. How do you know what the speed of light is?
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Since light travels at a constant speed in a vacuum, I can use light travel time to define a unit of measure of distance.

So, I'm going to create a new unit of measure of distance which is called the htdltios. I define a htdltios as the length of the path that light travels in a vacuum in 1/2 of a second.

Do you agree so far?
 
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Motor Daddy said:
I want to wait for origin to state whether he agrees or disagrees before I continue. He may have an objection that needs to be cleared up.
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Lol, I was afraid of that. You are having trouble leading the discussion because no one seems to want to let you go with it so I can see where you are taking us. If I go back will I see posts that show where you are going? You know how unpleasant it is to read a years worth of posts on a thread like this don't you.
 
Motor Daddy said:
Since light travels at a constant speed in a vacuum, I can use light travel time to define a unit of measure of distance.

So, I'm going to create a new unit of measure of distance which is called the htdltios. I define a htdltios as the length of the path that light travels in a vacuum in 1/2 of a second.

Do you agree so far?
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From Wiki:
Since 1983, it [a meter] is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum in 1⁄299,792,458 of a second.
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And why 1/2 a second? Why not take 1 second while you're at it? As it stands 1 htdltios = 149,896,229 m.
 
Enmos said:
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And why 1/2 a second? Why not take 1 second while you're at it? As it stands 1 htdltios = 149,896,229 m.
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Are you trying to tell me what unit of measure I want to create? If you want your own unit of measure, then you need to create and define it.

Yes, as it happens, in order to convert, 1 htdltios = 149,896,229 meters.

What is your point? I'm not basing my unit of measure on the meter, I am basing it on the constant speed of light, and defining it as 1/2 second of that light travel time.
 
Motor Daddy said:
Are you trying to tell me what unit of measure I want to create? If you want your own unit of measure, then you need to create and define it.

Yes, as it happens, in order to convert, 1 htdltios = 149,896,229 meters.

What is your point? I'm not basing my unit of measure on the meter, I am basing it on the constant speed of light, and defining it as 1/2 second of that light travel time.
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lol ok :p
But then what are you going to use it for?
 
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