Yeah, but there is the inner dimension which can't be defined.
The Purpose of Life
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Agreed . Life , its self. The Intelligence of the Universe .
Not a dimension beyond the periodic table . But a form of energy within the periodic table . That can and does form material objects into physical things beyond their fundamental nature .
For myself that's what Avanced Living Beings do . Understand the full potenial , of any Natural element . Therefore make new materials .
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Would you agree it is very creative, looking at all the variety on our humble planet?
DaveC426913
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Careful river...
That word "creative"...
Creative is not a trap .
Since Life is the intelligence of the Universe .
Write4U
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Creativity is not necessarily intelligent. The natural world is testament to the deterministic creative nature of universal values and functions. The Universe is not based on Desire (motive), but on energetic Potential, mathematical probabilities implicated in the Laws of Nature and and latent dynamical mathematical physical Potentials enfolded in the spacetime fabric.
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The Universe proves the point. Thank you.
I agree but might change the word belief to the word knowledge.
DaveC426913
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No, none of it was created.
yet here it is, here you are.
kx000
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One of the 8 greatest things you can know is that you believe in life.
DaveC426913
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That's a pretty low bar.
If you can have the thought, you pretty much believe in life. Thought I suppose it's possible you believe you're just a really sophisticated robot.
Agreed , to your first statement ; yet it is creativity along with knowledge that evolves creativity .
Knowledge is ever evolving . Therefore so is thought upon this knowledge .
True the energy and matter based Universe is not based on Life or motive .
Yet Life exists in this Universe .
Determination , a steady existence , is basic to the Universe . Fractals show this . As it should .
Determination never shows creativity .
Life changes the Determination of the Universe .
Write4U
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Knowledge is not a necessesary attribute to creativity. A very simple exponential fractal instruction can result in the most artful and beautiful patterns imaginable.
And if you have been taught that fractals are always self-similar, that is limited thinking.
I do agree that such an evolving pattern does not display or convey a message other than the mathematical function. No human emotion appealing to another human's emotions, other than the sheer power of a mathematical function.
Watch this excellent video on the ten fundamental universal equations, by which all the beauty of reality can be explained.
One can posit that this clip is the synopsis of a Universal Mathematical Bible, the Laws of Nature.
Calculus = Accounting for "the ghost of departed quantity" . And if may add the term "patterns".
and if that reminds of a concept of a quasi-intelligent functions (living) and the true metaphysical nature of mathematics, this video gives a very interesting historical perspective.
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Bob-a-builder
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I tell my dog life is all about the "Tummy Rubs". The dog that gets the most tummy rubs wins. That may be simplified.
However you speak on Buddhist concepts to which I also subscribe, perhaps I lean more Hindu/Vedic.
One thing that bothers me with the Buddhist concept you mentioned,
the potential of human life to end suffering, for example through embracing (not suppressing or denying) cravings and conceptual attachments. Attaining and perfecting dispassion is a process of many levels that ultimately results in the state of Nirvana. Nirvana means freedom from both suffering and rebirth.
A lifetime without "suffering" would be horrible and somewhat impossible if only to degrees.
Imagine if you could only have ice cream as food. It may seem wonderful for the first 20-30 years, but after that you might get tired of eating only ice cream. You need the Broccoli (suffering) to truly enjoy ice cream.
If every girl agreed to date you when asked.. it would seem wonderful but you would not experience the achievement of getting that pretty girls phone number.
I don't wish to expand too much, but I hope I made my point. Suffering is required.
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This is one reason the Christian/Judaic notions of Heaven and Hell are absurd. Example: Can you play a game of Monopoly in Heaven with your dead grandmum? No. That would be absurd. If losing is considered bad then how much of it can occur in "heaven"before it becomes a "hell".
Heaven/Hell debunked in 6 words: "You need bad to have good" ("and good to have bad" if you want an 11 word debunking).
The Hindu and Buddhists ascribe reality to a shared dream more than actual. They view us as all portions of the same "dreamer" (all/pan/pantheism).
So to many of them they view separate consciousnesses as different threads so that the overall "all" can enjoy a beer, sleeping with starlets, an avenger movie, a warm beach, and a good book all at the same time.
So.
I tell my dog its all about the tummy rubs. Perhaps we are meant to abandon our ego and join with the all in some ways (enlightenment) but I am not very religious.
I recognize the absurdity of a Heaven where only good can occur and a Hell where only bad can occur. I can read and see that Goliath was the good guy and David grew up to become a mass-murdering rapist. So if i had to choose a religion it would be more vedic based, and we can hope.
But suffering is necessary in every life or we will not appreciate the good.
If time is simultaneous and we do have a reincarnated soul (if-if-if). Then that means we could live the lifetime of a quadrillion trees and still be but a mere forgotten flash to what forever truly means. Forever is a long time.. and in each life you must suffer (broccoli) or you will never know the ice cream is good.