The purpose Life has

[Enmos]

For example I can almost guarantee that your brain will simply refuse to see anything relevant, in the following discourse, (I predict a high probability that you will respond in the usual fashion, or not respond, except with something like: "you're nuts"):

You are nuts.
This is typical, have I ever said that to you ?

So your toe "saw" this rock then? Your toe did connect with it, and this is how, regarding a previous post.
You mean, the pain in your toe is really in your brain? And same with the image of the rock you can now "see"? You mean, your senses can't be aware, because awareness is "in" your brain?

Wow ! Are you actually getting it, finally ? :bravo:

So the pain in your "toe", which is actually in your brain, isn't connected to this rock that you hit with your toe?..??

Uh.. you asked me if the feeling I had (after hitting my toe against the rock) has any influence on the prior event of hitting my toe against the rock.. That's an obvious no.. :shrug:

 

[Vkothii]

So the pain in your "toe", which is actually in your brain, isn't connected to this rock that you hit with your toe?..??

Uh.. you asked me if the feeling I had (after hitting my toe against the rock) has any influence on the prior event of hitting my toe against the rock.. That's an obvious no..

No, I asked if the feeling had any bearing on your toe connecting with the rock. I don't believe I mentioned "influence"? What's "influence"?

But you are doing exactly as I predicted.
You're interpreting everything the way you want to see it, to fit your paradigm (which I claim is based on faulty logic, and obstinacy, you are simply refusing to see the bleedingly obvious).

 

[Vkothii]

Once more, just so I can be sure that you have no intention whatever of answering this:

So "after" you had connected to this rock (with your toe), what bearing did any "feeling" have on your intentional act?

No bearing at all..

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So the pain in your "toe", which is actually in your brain, isn't connected to this rock that you hit with your toe?..??

So you have a sore toe, and there is no connection between this feeling you now have, and the connection your toe made with a rock??

There is "no bearing" this feeling of pain has, on the act of striking a rock with your (now sore) toe??

When you hurt yourself "accidentally", it's not because you did anything..??

 

[Enmos]

No, I asked if the feeling had any bearing on your toe connecting with the rock. I don't believe I mentioned "influence"? What's "influence"?

I apologize, I misunderstood the word bearing then.
The answer would be yes then.

But you are doing exactly as I predicted.
You're interpreting everything the way you want to see it, to fit your paradigm (which I claim is based on faulty logic, and obstinacy, you are simply refusing to see the bleedingly obvious).

Look now, there was no need for this Vk. Especially since you are the one exhibiting the behavior you describe here, as many have pointed out to you.

 

[Enmos]

Once more, just so I can be sure that you have no intention whatever of answering this:


So you have a sore toe, and there is no connection between this feeling you now have, and the connection your toe made with a rock??

There is "no bearing" this feeling of pain has, on the act of striking a rock with your (now sore) toe??

When you hurt yourself "accidentally", it's not because you did anything..??

See post above.

 

[Vkothii]

So where is this.

Going back to what looks like a last good connection:

The pain that you feel in your toe, is because of the connection it made with a rock.
So of the five senses you have, your sense of touch observed, or measured, or interpreted this rock for your brain?
Your toe was deliberately swung towards this rock to get this information you now have (pain, the memory of the sudden stop in the forward swing of your lower leg, and so on). Your toe "saw" the rock, not your eyes - a much more efficient, and effective sense, in terms of getting about?

 

[Enmos]

The pain that you feel in your toe, is because of the connection it made with a rock.

Correct.

So of the five senses you have, your sense of touch observed, or measured, or interpreted this rock for your brain?

No. The senses were activated by the stubbing. The brain "observed, or measured, or interpreted" based on the impulses received from the senses in the toe.

Your toe was deliberately swung towards this rock to get this information you now have (pain, the memory of the sudden stop in the forward swing of your lower leg, and so on).

NO!

Your toe "saw" the rock, not your eyes - a much more efficient, and effective sense, in terms of getting about?

Jesus Christ man.. :bugeye:

 

[Vkothii]

See, I told you.
Right here is where you decide to get all nitpicky about what a "sense" is.

If you hear something, do your ears hear it or your brain? Is it the eardrum vibrating or the little bones, or the neural assemblies firing in the cochlea, or when the pulse-trains arrive in the auditory centres.
Or all the above?

So of the five senses you have, your sense of touch observed, or measured, or interpreted this rock for your brain?

No. The senses were activated by the stubbing. The brain "observed, or measured, or interpreted" based on the impulses received from the senses in the toe.

The "senses" activate something in your brain, which is separate from your toe?
The sense of touch and pain, and heat is in the skin, and you activate all of them when you use your toe to "activate" these "surface" interactions, shall we say.
Against a rock, at average walking speed, there would be some heating due to friction.

So is your sense of heat a different sense to touch, or pain? Can you construct anything that lets you claim that you didn't use your sense of touch (and pain and heat) to see this rock (with your toe).

I mean, if you're blind, you could have crawled along, feeling ahead of you with your hands, to see this rock with your sense of touch, and avoided triggering the pain reaction (and the heat).

 

[Myles]

See, I told you.
Right here is where you decide to get all nitpicky about what a "sense" is.

If you hear something, do your ears hear it or your brain? Is it the eardrum vibrating or the little bones, or the neural assemblies firing in the cochlea, or when the pulse-trains arrive in the auditory centres.
Or all the above?
The "senses" activate something in your brain, which is separate from your toe?
The sense of touch (and pain, and heat) is in the skin, and you activate all of them when you use your toe to "activate" these "surface" interactions, shall we say.
Against a rock, at average walking speed, there would be some heating due to friction.

So is your sense of heat a different sense to touch, or pain? Can you construct anything that lets you claim that you didn't use your sense of touch (and pain and heat) to see this rock (with your toe).

I mean, if you're blind, you could have crawled along, feeling ahead of you with your hands, to see this rock with your sense of touch, and avoided triggering the pain reaction (and the heat).

So to getwhere you want to go all we have to do is to adopt a fluid approach to naming the senses. A toe can see things invisible to the eye even when it is encased in a shoe; An eye covered with a patch cannot see but it can feel and hear, and so on. You are simply ridiculous.

 

[Vkothii]

A toe can see things invisible to the eye even when it is encased in a shoe;

Can it? What can it see, the inside of a shoe?

An eye covered with a patch cannot see but it can feel and hear, and so on.

Yes, so? You mean the eye can be used to touch things, like splinters or dust-motes? Not too sure about hearing with your eyes, though. That would be something like hearing colours, which is what some synaesthetic people describe.

You are simply ridiculous.

And you're ludicrous and inept. Your mind-numbing "examples" are crashing and burning; they got shot down 'cause they can't get out of the way of well aimed logic.

Quite an accomplishment, you being good at being a complete dickhead, btw.

 

[Myles]

See, I told you.
Right here is where you decide to get all nitpicky about what a "sense" is.

If you hear something, do your ears hear it or your brain? Is it the eardrum vibrating or the little bones, or the neural assemblies firing in the cochlea, or when the pulse-trains arrive in the auditory centres.
Or all the above?
The "senses" activate something in your brain, which is separate from your toe?
The sense of touch and pain, and heat is in the skin, and you activate all of them when you use your toe to "activate" these "surface" interactions, shall we say.
Against a rock, at average walking speed, there would be some heating due to friction.

So is your sense of heat a different sense to touch, or pain? Can you construct anything that lets you claim that you didn't use your sense of touch (and pain and heat) to see this rock (with your toe).

I mean, if you're blind, you could have crawled along, feeling ahead of you with your hands, to see this rock with your sense of touch, and avoided triggering the pain reaction (and the heat).

So who wrote this rubbish? "...to see this rock ( with your toe )"

If a blind man crawls, he will be able to " see eith his fingers "

Don't forget that you have become known as Mr Semantics, which means you must be taken at your word.

Even taken metaphorically your answer is nonsemse in relation to what has been discussed but you will never see it.

As for the names you call me, I shall take your remarks as a compliment. Thanks for not suggesting I am like you. That would be the last straw.

 

[Vkothii]

If a blind man crawls, he will be able to " see [w]ith his fingers "

OK, how about: "you are a solipsist wanker who can't tell his ass from his elbow".

Next time you talk to a blind person, ask them how they see, if you're still remotely interested in climbing out of that deep dark dingy hole you think is nice and cozy, you goddam drip.

How can I see what has been discussed? I'm using a Braille keyboard, you dickhead.
How do I see with my fingers. Shit you're an idiot.

P.S. Please take your crap elsewhere, and stop trying to rescue Enmos rather shaky position on toe-stubbing, that keeps getting the "no, I didn't" treatment, OK, you solipsist moron?

 

[Myles]

OK, how about: "you are a solipsist wanker who can't tell his ass from his elbow".

Next time you talk to a blind person, ask them how they see, if you're still remotely interested in climbing out of that deep dark dingy hole you think is nice and cozy, you goddam drip.

How can I see what has been discussed? I'm using a Braille keyboard, you dickhead.
How do I see with my fingers. Shit you're an idiot.

P.S. Please take your crap elsewhere, and stop trying to rescue Enmos rather shaky position on toe-stubbing, that keeps getting the "no, I didn't" treatment, OK, you solipsist moron?

Thank you for that useful contribution. Your invective is of a much higher calibre than your reasoning.

 

[Vkothii]

Don't forget that you have become known as Mr Solipsist (wanker).

 

[Vkothii]

See folks, it's easy to keep denying that you did anything at all, just look at this lot:

When does a stubbed toe become an unintended act?
, when did the act of walking intentionally become the "unintentional act" of toe-stubbing?

It didn't become the "unintentional act" of toe-stubbing

OK, when did the intentional act of walking become the "intentional act" of toe-stubbing?

Never

So, you never stubbed your toe intentionally or unintentionally, then?

I have stubbed my toe unintentionally.

When did the intentional act of walking become the act of unintentional toe-stubbing, then...?

The senses were activated by the stubbing. The brain "observed, or measured, or interpreted" based on the impulses received from the senses in the toe.

The brain observed the rock, and your toe sent this information to your brain?
How did your toe get the information to send it? Where did it come from ...out of a clear blue sky?
Why do you see the need to define sensory experience as "in the brain"?
Isn't your brain everywhere else in your body as well as in your toe?
Why the need to define a brain, when "pain in your toe" is good enough?

the purpose of life is that living things are purposeful.

That is completely nonsensical..

How about: "the purpose of life is that living things use other things, and are useful."
Still can't see it? Oh well.

 

[Enmos]

OK, how about: "you are a solipsist wanker who can't tell his ass from his elbow".

Next time you talk to a blind person, ask them how they see, if you're still remotely interested in climbing out of that deep dark dingy hole you think is nice and cozy, you goddam drip.

How can I see what has been discussed? I'm using a Braille keyboard, you dickhead.
How do I see with my fingers. Shit you're an idiot.

P.S. Please take your crap elsewhere, and stop trying to rescue Enmos rather shaky position on toe-stubbing, that keeps getting the "no, I didn't" treatment, OK, you solipsist moron?

LOL you are really showing yourself here, aren't you ?
Do you think we should report it ?

 

[Enmos]

See folks, it's easy to keep denying that you did anything at all, just look at this lot:

When did the intentional act of walking become the act of unintentional toe-stubbing, then...?

It didn't BECOME, they are two separate things. The intentional act of walking stops when you stop walking.
The unintentional 'act' of toe-stubbing is caused by not paying attention, it was NOT intended.
Btw. 'them' is really just me there..

The brain observed the rock, and your toe sent this information to your brain?
How did your toe get the information to send it? Where did it come from ...out of a clear blue sky?
Why do you see the need to define sensory experience as "in the brain"?
Isn't your brain everywhere else in your body as well as in your toe?
Why the need to define a brain, when "pain in your toe" is good enough?

I really don't feel the need to respond to this kind of nonsense.
I think you should sue your school for malpractice.. or maybe it's just you.

How about: "the purpose of life is that living things use other things, and are useful."
Still can't see it? Oh well.

No, I can't see it. You say the purpose of life is something that is an inherent quality of life. That makes no sense at all. This beside the question of whether anything actually has purpose.
What's the purpose of a turd ? To be brown ? To stink ?

 

[Vkothii]

Report whatever the hell you want. I really don't care, you know?

When did the intentional act of walking become the act of unintentional toe-stubbing, then...?

It didn't BECOME, they are two separate things.

Uh huh. So you were walking along (intentionally), and you "stopped"? Why did you decide to stop?

The intentional act of walking stops when you stop walking.

I guess so, that seems logical. If you stop walking, you intentionally stop. Walking.

The unintentional 'act' of toe-stubbing is caused by not paying attention, it was NOT intended.

The toe-stubbing is caused by you walking intentionally. though.
You just refused to see it again. You keep refusing to look at the facts.
You stubbed your toe WITH INTENT. You were walking INTENTIONALLY, which is HOW you stubbed your toe.

If you can't see (let's say you have a big blindfold on), and you walk along without being able to see, what might happen? Think about it.

Or just do what you usually do, and refuse to see it. That seems to be your easiest option, right?

Like I give a turd.

P.S. And I'll ask again (only becaue I'm curious). Why do you see the need to define a "brain" that experiences?
Why isn't having a sore toe good enough to tell you you have a "brain"?

 

[Enmos]

Report whatever the hell you want. I really don't care, you know?

Uh huh. So you were walking along (intentionally), and you "stopped"? Why did you decide to stop?
I guess so, that seems logical. If you stop walking, you intentionally stop. Walking.
The toe-stubbing is caused by you walking intentionally. though.
You just refused to see it again. You keep refusing to look at the facts.
You stubbed your toe WITH INTENT. You were walking INTENTIONALLY, which is HOW you stubbed your toe.

If you can't see (let's say you have a big blindfold on), and you walk along without being able to see, what might happen? Think about it.

You can't see the difference between cause and intention and it's starting to get rather embarrassing now.

 

[Vkothii]

Maybe you can explain the "difference" between cause and intention.
While you're at it, what's choice? How about purpose?

You have, so far, indicated that you have "standard" meanings and apply them rigourously (from what I've seen). You wouldn't, for example say that "purpose" and "use" mean the same thing. And you would deny that choice and intent are the same thing either, right?
So do you know what any of these words mean? Can you help me and my poor befuddled mind?