I have proofs, and arguments, that I am willing to share, and put their durability to the test. The evidence for Aliens is simply insurmountable, the evidence for no aliens holds little water, at least what I have encountered thus far. Let's weigh them against other here.
I would like to say, in advance, due to an unpleasant experience with another member. Let's try to be more open, mature, with each others views. I do not agree, with the detractors of aliens, but nonetheless, I do not disrespect their view. It is due to a system of media sanitation, and social sanitation, that anything associated with Aliens and UFO's, is rejected, attacked and ridiculed. I can understand the fear of ridicule in voicing a belief that shakes the structure of society.
I was merely attacked, for being convinced they exist. Imagine, the treatment, someone whose had an experience with aliens, would be given. It is understandable, why so many UFO sightings, and Abduction experiences, are never reported.
In a society, where half the world's population believes in Gods, attests to feeling his presence, heavens and hells, in a country that constitutionally accepts God, and prints," In God we trust" on dollar bills, despite the absence of evidence, how can then the belief in Aliens and UFO's be ridiculized, when there IS evidence, mountains of evidence, to support it.
Scepticism is always good. I myself, am a very sceptical person. If we are not sceptical, our intellectual faculties do not develop. However, this vicious denial, and attacking, character assassination, the predisposition to branding anyone who attests to the belief in Aliens a loony/crakpot; is not scepticism; it's fanaticism masquerading as scepticism.
So it is my humble request, that we do not indulge in such malicious behaviour here(Persol) and instead let's objectively analyse all the proof, FOR, and even AGAINST aliens one at a time.
I will open this discussion, with one proof for Aliens:
THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT
Summary: over 400 top ranking officials, from the government, NSA, CIA, USAF, NASA armed forces, scientists, and technicians have testified to Aliens, UFO's, and a government cover-up of of aliens:
This Discloureproject is recent to me, I discovered it just 2 months back. I was made aware of this, by a member on a message board, who posted a free link to the video. I otherwise, would not have expended by own income, for something that sounded too good to be true. I have researched extensively into this movement, their associated organisations, the limited press feedback and their penetration into the public awareness. From my findings, it shows that while the Disclosure project had an audience of many media entities at their press conference in 2001, they were painfully ignored, and even mocked. In the public domain, there has been little interest and again a lot of mockery from those who are aware.
In fact, the extent of prejudice against such a "discloure" is very strong. Even if you suggest to people to go and look at this they instantly turn hostile towards you.
Now the establishment at Disclosure are not helping their own case themselves, by forcing the public to purchase video's, books, dvd's merchandize, or subscribe. I was put off intially myself, and had it not been for the 2 hour free video download, I would have most certainly have not paid any more interest. On this agenda, it certainly can look like a ploy to make money. Having said that, in this case, it does not look like this is the case. This is an obviously resource-stucken, poorly funded movement, in desperate need of investments. In fact, they claim they have only made up 5% of funds and could not materialise the 2003 conference due to the lack of funds. The fact that this group is still in function and in a constrant stuggle against forces, would suggest there is a genuine drive and impetus for this movement, with little monetary gain. Further more, they have obtained certification for non-profit status.
This would suggest, that it is perhaps unlikely, for the sole motivation to be monetary. We could consider the possibility of this being a right-wing or environmental party due to their firm opposition of weaponzing space, who could be using an UFO/ETI agenda to disguise their true agenda. This is more likely than the last scenorio, however still has flaws that nullify it. The arguments Against being:
The set-up is more centralized on ETI/UFO, and space weaponization is only one argument of many. It would constitute lying and henceforth be too risky, if founded, which could result in legal reprecausions and a loss of crediblity.
The other possibility, is, this is a group of UFO/ETI nutcases. It could be true. However, these are NOT ordinary people, these are doctors, attorneys, US air force generals, navy, intelligence. These are smart/intelligent and educated people, that have served the US in the gulf war, in the cold war and various other crisis, are obviously held in high regards. So again it is unlikely, that they're some fanatical organization:
Moving onto the 2 hour press conference. I have established, that this has taken place, the video is not fake. 21 witnesses, and the director, Steven G spoke, with a brief Q and A period at the end: The following points were made by the collective testimony:
The following points were made by the collective testimony:
1:UFO have ben sighted, and recorded by the state.
2: Crashed UFO's, that may have been shot down, have been recovered - sometimes with bodies in them, which at times have been alive.
3: There is an ETI base on one side of the moon
4: There are 58 types of different species visisting us, they are mix of humonids, that could walk around in regular public and not be noticed, and greys, and many variations of greys and others
5: A project calleld the Alien Reproduction Vehicle, based on reverse-engineered UFO's, are being tested in wind tunnels, approaching speeds of mach6 to mach20. These vehicles are based on Alien-technology, however they are being manufactured by humans. They work on anti-gravity propulsion. There are various other black projects on Alien-based-technology that are raking in dozens of billions of dollars.
6: US has plans to weaponise space, and is spending billions in monitoring space, space based weapons, and lasers.
7: US has obtained such Alien technology, that could revolutionize the world, solve our energy crisis problems, eradicate poverty, and the world could unite,to become a peaceful planet.
8: The security and secrey is so sophisticated and compartmentalized, that even congress AND the president don't have access to them. There is also a media sanitation program to ensure the information does not leak into the public.
These are extremely big claims, and render everything else in the world, in our daily lives, secondary, and if there is an ounce of truth in their claims, then they MUST be addressed. Because if true, this will be the biggest event in known human history.
The manner in which these statements were made by the witnesses, did not look "acted" or "rehearsed" these people ARE who they say they are. It is another matter, wether what they say is TRUE.
This was a serious outpouring by these witnesses, who looked convinced of what they were saying, and they were recalling facts, and experience with ease, and most of the individual testimonies were natural, a few were showing intimidation from speaking out, a natural anxiety in speaking to large audiences. Most of them did not rely too much on written notes. Some also had, for media scrutiny, documents that confirmed their testimony.
They were clearly intelligent, and sensible, and emotional people. Now if this was a hoax, it was a damn good one, as somehow top ranking officials were roped in, and trained to act and give Oscar winning performances.
These witnesses, top ranking officials, that have served their country, ARE taking an oath, that they will testify against Congress, with what they have told us. They clearly cannot backtrack now, as they have been recorded by the media and on video. There is too much at risk and little to gain for the individual witnesses, hence, making their claims even more credible.
If they are convicted of fraudulent acts, or convicted of lying to the government, not only will all witnesses be shamed in front of the public; they will lose their jobs; they will lose credibility; and they will face jail sentences. This is much more different from the disinformation circulating around in public, from some delusional authors or authors capitalizing on the interests in UFO/Aliens from the public; as the stakes are much, much, much, much higher.
Now I ask you, these men and woman, who have served a superpower nation, US, clearly have exceptional intelligence, a lot of experience in life, and a lot of respect; WOULD they risk it all; on a petty hoax? Would you, if you were in their position. The chances are too low. If it's all about making money, they could easily do something else, that doesn't involve being torn apart in front of their friends, family, general public, and thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.
This is one proof of many. Let's dance.
I would like to say, in advance, due to an unpleasant experience with another member. Let's try to be more open, mature, with each others views. I do not agree, with the detractors of aliens, but nonetheless, I do not disrespect their view. It is due to a system of media sanitation, and social sanitation, that anything associated with Aliens and UFO's, is rejected, attacked and ridiculed. I can understand the fear of ridicule in voicing a belief that shakes the structure of society.
I was merely attacked, for being convinced they exist. Imagine, the treatment, someone whose had an experience with aliens, would be given. It is understandable, why so many UFO sightings, and Abduction experiences, are never reported.
In a society, where half the world's population believes in Gods, attests to feeling his presence, heavens and hells, in a country that constitutionally accepts God, and prints," In God we trust" on dollar bills, despite the absence of evidence, how can then the belief in Aliens and UFO's be ridiculized, when there IS evidence, mountains of evidence, to support it.
Scepticism is always good. I myself, am a very sceptical person. If we are not sceptical, our intellectual faculties do not develop. However, this vicious denial, and attacking, character assassination, the predisposition to branding anyone who attests to the belief in Aliens a loony/crakpot; is not scepticism; it's fanaticism masquerading as scepticism.
So it is my humble request, that we do not indulge in such malicious behaviour here(Persol) and instead let's objectively analyse all the proof, FOR, and even AGAINST aliens one at a time.
I will open this discussion, with one proof for Aliens:
THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT
Summary: over 400 top ranking officials, from the government, NSA, CIA, USAF, NASA armed forces, scientists, and technicians have testified to Aliens, UFO's, and a government cover-up of of aliens:
This Discloureproject is recent to me, I discovered it just 2 months back. I was made aware of this, by a member on a message board, who posted a free link to the video. I otherwise, would not have expended by own income, for something that sounded too good to be true. I have researched extensively into this movement, their associated organisations, the limited press feedback and their penetration into the public awareness. From my findings, it shows that while the Disclosure project had an audience of many media entities at their press conference in 2001, they were painfully ignored, and even mocked. In the public domain, there has been little interest and again a lot of mockery from those who are aware.
In fact, the extent of prejudice against such a "discloure" is very strong. Even if you suggest to people to go and look at this they instantly turn hostile towards you.
Now the establishment at Disclosure are not helping their own case themselves, by forcing the public to purchase video's, books, dvd's merchandize, or subscribe. I was put off intially myself, and had it not been for the 2 hour free video download, I would have most certainly have not paid any more interest. On this agenda, it certainly can look like a ploy to make money. Having said that, in this case, it does not look like this is the case. This is an obviously resource-stucken, poorly funded movement, in desperate need of investments. In fact, they claim they have only made up 5% of funds and could not materialise the 2003 conference due to the lack of funds. The fact that this group is still in function and in a constrant stuggle against forces, would suggest there is a genuine drive and impetus for this movement, with little monetary gain. Further more, they have obtained certification for non-profit status.
This would suggest, that it is perhaps unlikely, for the sole motivation to be monetary. We could consider the possibility of this being a right-wing or environmental party due to their firm opposition of weaponzing space, who could be using an UFO/ETI agenda to disguise their true agenda. This is more likely than the last scenorio, however still has flaws that nullify it. The arguments Against being:
The set-up is more centralized on ETI/UFO, and space weaponization is only one argument of many. It would constitute lying and henceforth be too risky, if founded, which could result in legal reprecausions and a loss of crediblity.
The other possibility, is, this is a group of UFO/ETI nutcases. It could be true. However, these are NOT ordinary people, these are doctors, attorneys, US air force generals, navy, intelligence. These are smart/intelligent and educated people, that have served the US in the gulf war, in the cold war and various other crisis, are obviously held in high regards. So again it is unlikely, that they're some fanatical organization:
Moving onto the 2 hour press conference. I have established, that this has taken place, the video is not fake. 21 witnesses, and the director, Steven G spoke, with a brief Q and A period at the end: The following points were made by the collective testimony:
The following points were made by the collective testimony:
1:UFO have ben sighted, and recorded by the state.
2: Crashed UFO's, that may have been shot down, have been recovered - sometimes with bodies in them, which at times have been alive.
3: There is an ETI base on one side of the moon
4: There are 58 types of different species visisting us, they are mix of humonids, that could walk around in regular public and not be noticed, and greys, and many variations of greys and others
5: A project calleld the Alien Reproduction Vehicle, based on reverse-engineered UFO's, are being tested in wind tunnels, approaching speeds of mach6 to mach20. These vehicles are based on Alien-technology, however they are being manufactured by humans. They work on anti-gravity propulsion. There are various other black projects on Alien-based-technology that are raking in dozens of billions of dollars.
6: US has plans to weaponise space, and is spending billions in monitoring space, space based weapons, and lasers.
7: US has obtained such Alien technology, that could revolutionize the world, solve our energy crisis problems, eradicate poverty, and the world could unite,to become a peaceful planet.
8: The security and secrey is so sophisticated and compartmentalized, that even congress AND the president don't have access to them. There is also a media sanitation program to ensure the information does not leak into the public.
These are extremely big claims, and render everything else in the world, in our daily lives, secondary, and if there is an ounce of truth in their claims, then they MUST be addressed. Because if true, this will be the biggest event in known human history.
The manner in which these statements were made by the witnesses, did not look "acted" or "rehearsed" these people ARE who they say they are. It is another matter, wether what they say is TRUE.
This was a serious outpouring by these witnesses, who looked convinced of what they were saying, and they were recalling facts, and experience with ease, and most of the individual testimonies were natural, a few were showing intimidation from speaking out, a natural anxiety in speaking to large audiences. Most of them did not rely too much on written notes. Some also had, for media scrutiny, documents that confirmed their testimony.
They were clearly intelligent, and sensible, and emotional people. Now if this was a hoax, it was a damn good one, as somehow top ranking officials were roped in, and trained to act and give Oscar winning performances.
These witnesses, top ranking officials, that have served their country, ARE taking an oath, that they will testify against Congress, with what they have told us. They clearly cannot backtrack now, as they have been recorded by the media and on video. There is too much at risk and little to gain for the individual witnesses, hence, making their claims even more credible.
If they are convicted of fraudulent acts, or convicted of lying to the government, not only will all witnesses be shamed in front of the public; they will lose their jobs; they will lose credibility; and they will face jail sentences. This is much more different from the disinformation circulating around in public, from some delusional authors or authors capitalizing on the interests in UFO/Aliens from the public; as the stakes are much, much, much, much higher.
Now I ask you, these men and woman, who have served a superpower nation, US, clearly have exceptional intelligence, a lot of experience in life, and a lot of respect; WOULD they risk it all; on a petty hoax? Would you, if you were in their position. The chances are too low. If it's all about making money, they could easily do something else, that doesn't involve being torn apart in front of their friends, family, general public, and thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.
This is one proof of many. Let's dance.
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