Norsefire
I don't follow
You admit that economy requires conflict, yet you say there is no requirement for justice
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No I admitted no such thing. Economy requires needs and desires, and that MIGHT have conflicts, but not necessarily so.
given that there are absolutely no examples of economic development that do not have issues of conflict at their core, it's not clear why the word "might" deserves uppercase letters.
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perhaps I should have used the word "uniform" instead of "centralized"
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The market might assume an unofficial consumer code, why not?
sure
but the chances of it being uniform are close to zero unless it has some centralized agency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization
It's just the choice of individuals that influence this. If the consumer demand for a uniform consumer code is there, it'll happen, as businesses arise because of this to meet this demand, but unlike bureaucracy, it isn't set in stone and it can change.
that's the point
there is no uniform consumer demand ..... much less when you talk about a uniform consumer demand for justice
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I am suggesting that unless there are uniform codes to deal with things like theft, murder, etc, you won't have a stable production base for anything ...
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Again, there can be unofficial consumer codes for such agencies. If the majority of people find it wrong, and want to do something about it, they can, without setting it in stone
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yeah, but the distribution of power may not be so democratic
1 man in 1 tank = 4 000 students
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he success of such measures will be determined by the degree of justice ... if you are going to talk about a system without jails you have to talk about how you plan to deal with issues of justice ..... even to entertain such musings as a bounty hunter or private court, its not clear what they would do with an offender in a jail-less society
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What is "justice"?
the value that determines the resolution of a conflict - if there is a no "justice" the conflict continues (or alternatively, one of the opposing parties dies ..... aka "dark ages")
First, I never meant a bounty hunter that captures
you
what else would you expect a bounty hunter do with a person who has no assets yet is responsible for stealing many of them?
And next, prisons? Do you know what has more power than prisons today?
Credit companies. You can resist paying back for a crime, but then your credit will be crippled by whatever private institution you choose to associate with, and if you don't associate, you might not necessarily receive service
credit companies only have clout if you have assets
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I think that was in vogue during the dark ages
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No, that was more like "let's let god sort it out"
superficially or perhaps the religious ideology was like that .... but politically it was the biggest and the hairiest being the rightest
But people realized that change has to come from THEM. Survival of the fittest is natural.
and lo and behold, part of that change involved a more refined sense of justice and order
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and I could burn your rape and pillage your village .... which might affect the local production scene dramatically
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In which case I could hire a protection agency.
Being the hire protection agency I just decided it was more profitable to simply take your assets by force
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that doesn't necessarily provide for a wonderful social environment for production and labour for the oogling capitalists however
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That isn't my obligation or my problem, though.
if you want to pay for another hire protection agency to keep me in check, it could well be
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yes but if the moral imperatives are relative to capital, you have a radical definition of compassion for the taking
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The moral imperatives are yours to decide, and you use capital to further your already-present wishes.
don't you get it?
The moral imperatives are for the deciding by the rich (or as in the case of your now looted village, for deciding by the brutish)
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well yeah ... if they can afford to choose
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If they can't it isn't my problem or yours
don't complain when your village is in flames
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work or starve
nice choice
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Worker unions? Those work. No, really. Then, businesses will be forced to be fairer.
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forced by who exactly?
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well actually we must first talk about what qualifications are required to evidence god first, ... just like a discussion on evidencing an electron might require a few qualifications in the field of physics
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A lack of rationality is required, so yes, I'm sorry but I'm not qualified.
on the contrary, a lack of rationality appears to be required to establish your social policy
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if you espouse capitalism as the solution for the world, indirectly, yes
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Capitalism isn't about giving people good lives, it's about allowing them to give themselves a good life.
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actually its about giving people money ........
