It's a subject requiring nuance. I've been trying repeatedly to start with simple, obvious examples.
Like the pixies?
You mean your critical thinking skills missed the fact that if you identified it as a pixie, it cannot be a UFO for obvious reasons?
No. The point of this thread is to cast it as a myth. It says so.
But it is a myth in how some apply or wield it as some form of weapon against anyone who does not believe as they do. Because it is so subjective. Just because we do not like or believe what the other is saying does not mean it shows a lack of critical thinking.
Or do you believe that people put on their 'critical thinking caps' and somehow or other think or do things differently because they are in critical thinking mode and somehow magically, all will arrive at the same answer or point of view? Critical thinking also involves one's history and personal experiences. It does affect it, whether we want it to or not.
MR has made it explicit that he is not actually interested in learning about critical thinking; he is interested in denying it.
You mean he's using his critical thinking skills and
saying there is no one true definition? It's astonishing what one can learn or hear or read what someone thinks or says or writes, if one actually discusses the topic instead of pixies and loftily declaring oneself a teacher and telling the perceived student that he just doesn't understand.. Kind of hope this is not how you teach anyone anything.. And people wonder and are concerned about the critical thinking abilities of students today...
But he would be correct.
Did you actually read the OP?
Peter Ellerton, a lecturer on the subject of 'critical thinking' at the University of Queensland,
had this to say about another university in Sydney, requiring all students to take a maths course, in a bid to give students critical thinking skills:
This is a worthwhile goal, but what about critical thinking in general?
Most tertiary institutions have listed among their graduate attributes the ability to think critically. This seems a desirable outcome, but what exactly does it mean to think critically and how do you get students to do it?
The problem is that critical thinking is the Cheshire Cat of educational curricula – it is hinted at in all disciplines but appears fully formed in none. As soon as you push to see it in focus, it slips away.
If you ask curriculum designers exactly how critical thinking skills are developed, the answers are often vague and unhelpful for those wanting to teach it.
This is partly because of a lack of clarity about the term itself and because there are some who believe that critical thinking cannot be taught in isolation, that it can only be developed in a discipline context – after all, you have think critically about something.
Which kind of goes to the heart of what the OP is actually on about. The lack of a true definition and the subjective nature of "critical thinking" across various fields and with pretty much everything one does in life on a day to day basis, makes it hard to pin down. The is no exact or true definition. Ellerton then sets out some guidelines, about how one could encourage students to think critically.. The psychology is particularly pertinent given what's happened in this thread and how you and others have approached this thread and subject matter..
The messy business of our psychology – how our minds actuality work – is another necessary component of a solid critical thinking course.
One of the great insights of psychology over the past few decades is the realisation that thinking is not so much something we do, as something that happens to us. We are not as in control of our decision-making as we think we are.
We are masses of cognitive biases as much as we are rational beings. This does not mean we are flawed, it just means we don’t think in the nice, linear way that educators often like to think we do.
It is a mistake to think of our minds as just running decision-making algorithms – we are much more complicated and idiosyncratic than this.
How we arrive at conclusions, form beliefs and process information is very organic and idiosyncratic. We are not just clinical truth-seeking reasoning machines.
Our thinking is also about our prior beliefs, our values, our biases and our desires.
Having been presented with some very basic questions as examples, he has refused to respond because he knows they will weaken his case.
To the one, some of the questions were downright stupid. Your foray into pixies being one of them. Something something about you and others having arrived at your conclusions about this thread from your beliefs and bias about the person who started it, applies here..
Your questions were not examples.
Your bid was clear from the outset. You wanted to trip him up and then go 'ha ha, you lack critical thinking skills!!'. Hell, you started doing that when you declared yourself a teacher and he the student and then mocked him for failing to answer your questions. All this, without realising that how he would arrive at those answers would be vastly different to how you would arrive at your own answers to those questions.
You weakened your case right from the outset. You couldn't even answer a basic question of 'what is critical thinking?', which goes to the very core of the OP.. Instead, you asked him questions and then laud it over the fact that he wasn't answering them in a manner you deemed sufficient while ignoring the very nature of "critical thinking" and how it is subjective.
Then again I haven't exactly made it a safe space.
Good grief!
It has been troubling me how far into a bickering war I've allowed myself to get, and I don't see it as being constructive. I will take a step back, and perhaps make it a little easier for this thread to gain some traction. Who knows, maybe it will evolve into something more than a denialist diatribe.
I think you jumped to the conclusion you believe is coming, and skipped all the steps in between.
I think you looked at the source who posted the very interesting article in the OP and jumped to conclusions, without actually taking time to apply your own critical thinking skills and wondering whether there was a point in that OP after all. And believe me, there is. Critical thinking is a fairly hot topic nowdays. And the realisation that children are getting through 12 years of education without actually learning anything about it, teachers are not prepared or equipped to teach children how to develop and apply critical thinking skills, is becoming problematic. The inability to understand that it is so subjective and how some demand that it is set in stone in how they believe or think it, makes it even more problematic.
The very nature of the article and what it said.. is constructive. How can you have missed that?