The Muslim Ban Has Begun!

We interrupt your hysterical programming for this brief announcement: Rasmussen Reports

A national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided.

Similarly, 56% favor a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the government approves its ability to screen for likely terrorists. Thirty-two percent (32%) oppose this temporary ban, and 11% are undecided.

This survey was taken late last week prior to the weekend protests against Trump’s executive orders imposing a four-month ban on all refugees and a temporary visa ban on visitors from these seven countries.

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We interrupt your hysterical programming for this brief announcement: Rasmussen Reports

A national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
Online surveys tend to be less reliable, so the real numbers are likely closer to this telephone only poll.

By a narrow 48 - 42 percent, American voters support "suspending immigration from terror prone regions, even if it means turning away refugees."


https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2416
 
Yep. Just keep firing people until you get someone willing to do what they are told, rather than doing their jobs. Works for dictators the world over.

I can only speak from what I understand the situation to be from the American news reports

She got fired by saying in public she would not support Trumps Executive Order

Again as I understand it her job would be to defend Trump in Court against any legal action brought against the order

Now any defence lawyer should (must) act in the best interest of the client

If they have a problem doing that they resign

She chose to say in public she would not defend the Order because she thought it was not legal

  1. Not for you to decide. It matters not if it is legal or not your job to defend it against legal action against it
  2. If you don't think you can defend it you
  • talk it over with the boss or
  • try to get the Order changed until you think it is legal
  • resign
 
I can only speak from what I understand the situation to be from the American news reports

She got fired by saying in public she would not support Trumps Executive Order

Again as I understand it her job would be to defend Trump in Court against any legal action brought against the order

Now any defence lawyer should (must) act in the best interest of the client

If they have a problem doing that they resign

She chose to say in public she would not defend the Order because she thought it was not legal

  1. Not for you to decide. It matters not if it is legal or not your job to defend it against legal action against it
  2. If you don't think you can defend it you
  • talk it over with the boss or
  • try to get the Order changed until you think it is legal
  • resign
And who exactly is her boss?
(I just want you to repeat your ignorance one more time)
 
Again as I understand it her job would be to defend Trump in Court against any legal action brought against the order
Her primary job is to lead the Justice Department, not to defend the President (or anyone else) when they issue illegal laws. This law violates the Immigration and Nationalization Act of 1965, which states that no person could be “discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth or place of residence.”
 
This is a non-event in practical terms as she was just the acting AG from the Obama administration until Trump's AG is confirmed. Of course she wasn't going to enforce it. It wouldn't help her career by doing so.

It would be more impressive for Trump's AG to resign rather than enforce such an order as was the case in the Nixon administration during the so called "Saturday Night Massacre".
 
She could probably sue for unfair dismissal. Given her expertise she probably will.
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No. Her job is not to defend Trump - she's not his lawyer.
Her job is to defend the policies of the US government but only to the extent she believes in the constitutionality of those policies, and clearly she does not. But as with most political appointees serves at the pleasure of the POTUS.
 

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She chose to say in public she would not defend the Order because she thought it was not legal

And what if she must make false or otherwise disqualifying statements in order to defend the Executive Order?

This is a problem that will come up as long as the Trump administration insists on issuing orders without running them through OLC, first.

NBC is reporting that the document was not reviewed by DHS, the Justice Department, the State Department, or the Department of Defense, and that National Security Council lawyers were prevented from evaluating it. Moreover, the New York Times writes that Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services, the agencies tasked with carrying out the policy, were only given a briefing call while Trump was actually signing the order itself. Yesterday, the Department of Justice gave a "no comment" when asked whether the Office of Legal Counsel had reviewed Trump's executive orders—including the order at hand. (OLC normally reviews every executive order.)

This order reads to me, frankly, as though it was not reviewed by competent counsel at all.

That unkind assessment comes from Benjamin Wittes↱, a fellow at both Hoover and Brookings, and editor in chief at Lawfare.

I would wax triumphant about the mitigating effect of incompetence on this document, but alas, I can't do it. The president's powers in this area are vast, as I say, and while the incompetence is likely to buy the administration a world of hurt in court and in diplomacy in the short term, this order is still going take more than a few pounds of flesh out of a lot of innocent people.

Moreover, it's a very dangerous thing to have a White House that can't with the remotest pretense of competence and governance put together a major policy document on a crucial set of national security issues without inducing an avalanche of litigation and wide diplomatic fallout. If the incompetence mitigates the malevolence in this case, that'll be a blessing. But given the nature of the federal immigration powers, the mitigation may be small and the blessing short-lived; the implications of having an executive this inept are not small and won't be short-lived.

And we should note that those few pounds of flesh taken from a lot of innocent people is the point; as I wrote yesterday↑, this is a mean spirit stalking the land; these are people who don't care about winning and losing because we all die someday, and he who laughs the hardest at the most other people getting hurt wins, and that's the way it goes with these people.

We'll see what DoJ comes up with in support of their boss. Also watch for Noel Francisco, acting Solicitor General of the United States. We'll have to see what he comes up with.

Meanwhile, Michael McAuliff and Ryan Reilly↱ at HuffPo suggest OLC did sketch a basic review, but there are still problems:

A Justice Department spokesman told The Huffington Post on Monday that that Office of Legal Counsel has traditionally answered the "narrow question" of whether executive orders are lawful on their face and properly drafted. The spokesman said that continues to be the case in the first 10 days of the Trump administration.

"OLC has continued to serve this traditional role in the present administration, and to date has approved the signed orders with respect to form and legality," the spokesman said.

But here's the key part of the statement: "OLC's legal review has been conducted without the involvement of Department of Justice leadership, and OLC's legal review does not address the broader policy issues inherent in any executive order."

In other words, the Office of Legal Counsel approved the language and basic legality of the executive orders, but did not look at the broader potential impact and potential complications. And DOJ leadership, which in this case means acting Attorney General Sally Yates and others, were not involved in the process at all.

The problem is going to come in those complications.

For instance, Aaron Blake↱ of the Washington Post notes, to the one:

A familiar talking point has permeated the many Republican defenses of Donald Trump's controversial travel entry ban: It's not a "Muslim ban."

"This is not a ban on Muslim refugees," Rep. Todd Rokita (R-Ind.) assured. “Everybody needs to take a deep breath; there is no litmus test based on religion," Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) said. “It's simply wrong to call the president's executive order concerning immigration and refugees 'a religious test' of any kind," Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) argued.

Trump himself issued a statement Sunday saying the same: "To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting."

And then, to the other:

It was Trump, after all, who once actually did propose a Muslim ban. It's still on his campaign website, more than a year later: "DONALD J. TRUMP STATEMENT ON PREVENTING MUSLIM IMMIGRATION."

Then Trump confidant Rudy Giuliani took to Fox News on Saturday night and said Trump basically was shooting for a Muslim ban with his executive order but recognized it needed to be altered to pass muster.

Fox News host Jeannine Pirro asked Giuliani, “How did the president decide the seven countries?”

“I'll tell you the whole history of it," Giuliani said. "So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.'"

Giuliani continued: “And what we did was, we focused on, instead of religion, danger — the areas of the world that create danger for us. Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible. And that's what the ban is based on. It's not based on religion. It's based on places where there are substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.”

And that's where they are at. Ostensibly, constricting migration and travel from certain countries is perfectly legal. Ostensibly, the document looks approximately like a proper legal form. And that's the whole of the review. Giuliani's explanation is basically the problem government lawyers face; it's one thing to say this is what the order is supposed to do, it is another to find some explanation around how that is what it actually does.

This is, actually, a version of the infamous Southern Strategy escalated to the world stage. And the thing is that in the end it was so transparent that when things weren't working out, they went ahead, anyway. Sixty-five percent of crack users were white; thus the natural inclination of the federal government was to take it out on black people―in excess of ninety percent of federal crack prosecutions were against black suspects, and on the state level, nobody can point to a time and place in the country by which what happened in Tulia, Texas, could happen if the colors were reversed. In the end, you can't say, "Nigger, nigger, nigger", as the argument goes, so you stir a bunch of law and order talk and take it out on black people, anyway. And these days you can't say, "Muslim, Muslim, Muslim", so the Trump administration stirs a bunch of law and order talk and takes it out on Muslims, anyway.
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Notes:

Blake, Aaron. "Republicans insist this isn't a 'Muslim ban.' Trump and Giuliani aren't helping their cause at all." The Washington Post. 30 January 2017. WashingtonPost.com. 30 January 2017. http://wapo.st/2kb8iEM

McAuliff, Michael and Ryan J. Reilly. "Justice Department Said Trump's Refugee Ban Is Legal. They Didn't Say It Was A Good Idea." The Huffington Post. 30 January 2017. http://huff.to/2jPSB57

Perlstein, Rick. "Exclusive: Lee Atwater's Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy". The Nation. 13 November 2012. http://bit.ly/1RWUv1B

Wittes, Benjamin. "Malevolence Tempered by Incompetence: Trump's Horrifying Executive Order on Refugees and Visas". Lawfare. 28 January 2017. Lawfare.com. 30 January 2017. http://bit.ly/2jObbNt
 
Her reputation and integrity of the office she held may also be at stake...
She is a public official. She has no integrity (joke) and I think there are laws making it hard to sue public officials and for public official to sue in these kinds of circumstances.
 
She is a public official. She has no integrity (joke) and I think there are laws making it hard to sue public officials and for public official to sue in these kinds of circumstances.
The integrity of her office?

Trump sacked her for doing her job. That has gotta count for something....
 
And who exactly is her boss?
(I just want you to repeat your ignorance one more time)

One more time

Her boss is POTUS

The position she held is held at the pleasure of the POTUS

She was appointed by the previous POTUS

The pick of the current POTUS is awaiting confirmation

Her current replacement is only there until the current pick is confirmed

http://people.howstuffworks.com/government/local-politics/attorney-general1.htm

The attorney general holds the power of attorney in representing a government in all legal matters. The attorney general is nominated by the president and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. There is no designated term for the attorney general, rather the president can remove him or her from the office at any time. Additionally, the attorney general can be impeached and tried by Congress if deemed necessary.

As head of the Department of Justice and chief legal counsel to the president, the duties of the attorney general are obviously important and wide reaching. The attorney general prosecutes cases that involve the government and gives advice to the president and heads of the executive departments when needed.


So it appears she worked for the POTUS

Did not work for the people

Her public statement was along the line she would not defend the Order because it was immoral

Weird and vague for a presumed sharp legal mind

If you can find reference she worked on behalf of the people please post
 
Her primary job is to lead the Justice Department, not to defend the President (or anyone else) when they issue illegal laws.

Wrong

And the issue of the legality of the Order should be decided in the courts

Remember any lawyer can bring action against the Order no matter who POTUS puts into the position

And again

The attorney general holds the power of attorney in representing a government in all legal matters.

So the job is to defend the Order against any action brought against it

This law violates the Immigration and Nationalization Act of 1965, which states that no person could be “discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth or place of residence.”

I have no idea if it does or doesn't but if you are sure it does tell Trump 'See you in court'
 
So it appears she worked for the POTUS

Did not work for the people
No, it doesn't. She works for the US government, as is made perfectly clear in your link.

All kinds of people are appointed by the President to work for the US government - i.e. the citizens of the country. That's part of the President's job.
 
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