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Michael 345 said:
One more time

Her boss is POTUS

The position she held is held at the pleasure of the POTUS

She was appointed by the previous POTUS

The pick of the current POTUS is awaiting confirmation

Her current replacement is only there until the current pick is confirmed

http://people.howstuffworks.com/government/local-politics/attorney-general1.htm

The attorney general holds the power of attorney in representing a government in all legal matters. The attorney general is nominated by the president and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. There is no designated term for the attorney general, rather the president can remove him or her from the office at any time. Additionally, the attorney general can be impeached and tried by Congress if deemed necessary.

As head of the Department of Justice and chief legal counsel to the president, the duties of the attorney general are obviously important and wide reaching. The attorney general prosecutes cases that involve the government and gives advice to the president and heads of the executive departments when needed.

So it appears she worked for the POTUS

Did not work for the people

Her public statement was along the line she would not defend the Order because it was immoral

Weird and vague for a presumed sharp legal mind

If you can find reference she worked on behalf of the people please post
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easy... her oath of office... spells it out quite clearly.

As is the Presidents oath of office quite clear.
to protect and defend the constitution for his boss, the people of America.

Her duty to people of the USA and it's constitution transcends any other duty. As it is for the President as well.
Trump was asking her to act contrary to her oath of office.
Her oath of office is similar to the oath taken by Trump at his inauguration.

She was sacked for performing as she pledged to her boss ~ the people of the USA ( and their constitution)

Her sacking is therefore unconstitutional and illegal. IMO
 
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Michael 345 said:
The attorney general holds the power of attorney in representing a government in all legal matters.

So the job is to defend the Order against any action brought against it
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Which means they are required to inform the President when such a defense is impossible, or unethical.
Michael 345 said:
And the issue of the legality of the Order should be decided in the courts
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It is supposed to be considered, and determined, by the competent AG beforehand - so that the expense and damage of confirmed illegality is avoided.
 
It is true that she had a foot in both doors, the executive and the judiciary but her oath of office transcends any conflict with the executive.
because at the top of the political Hierarchy sits the constitution and the USA people.
Maybe someone who knows the way it works better than I can comment ( other than Michael )
 
There are so many law suits pending on this issue that the mind boggles at how stupid the POTUS has been.
I am not the only one who feels that what has occurred due to Trump's sheer stupidity is unconstitutional, illegal and damaging to the USA and number of other countries including Australia ( yes we have Iranian dual citizens who live here too _ Iran will not release a person of citizenship at all)
Google, Sachs, Amazon, etc etc... Zuckerberg yet to announce.
Do they have a case or not?
They seem to think that they do....
 
Indeed. As I understand the role of the US GA, it is to enforce the legislation that her boss sets out. If she disagreed with the legislation, considered it unconstitutional, then she could resign, but her role would be to enforce whatever the President sets out, to argue for the upholding of the legislation in courts, not to simply refuse to do so because she considered it undefendable. That matter is for the courts to decide; hers is to simply to defend as best she can, no matter whether she personally agrees with it or not.
Sure, you'd hope the President would be consulting his GA before making such executive orders, but that's a separate matter. In this instance she has seemingly failed to do her job, and is paying the price. And this is irrespective of whether you agree that the law is unconstitutional or not, whether it is defendable or not. Her job is to enforce it, to defend it in court. She said she wouldn't.

That's the way I see it from this side of the pond, but I may not fully understand the finer detail of American politics.
 
Sarkus said:
Indeed. As I understand the role of the US GA, it is to enforce the legislation that her boss sets out. If she disagreed with the legislation, considered it unconstitutional, then she could resign, but her role would be to enforce whatever the President sets out, to argue for the upholding of the legislation in courts, not to simply refuse to do so because she considered it undefendable. That matter is for the courts to decide; hers is to simply to defend as best she can, no matter whether she personally agrees with it or not.
Sure, you'd hope the President would be consulting his GA before making such executive orders, but that's a separate matter. In this instance she has seemingly failed to do her job, and is paying the price. And this is irrespective of whether you agree that the law is unconstitutional or not, whether it is defendable or not. Her job is to enforce it, to defend it in court. She said she wouldn't.

That's the way I see it from this side of the pond, but I may not fully understand the finer detail of American politics.
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It will be argued in court as you have said no doubt... however due to the exceptional circumstances of such a wide sweeping order being placed upon the public with out any preparation or notice a case against the POTUS could be made.
 
iceaura said:
No, it doesn't. She works for the US government, as is made perfectly clear in your link.

All kinds of people are appointed by the President to work for the US government - i.e. the citizens of the country. That's part of the President's job.
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Ah sorry

Now I get it

Crystal clear

She worked for the US Government ie the citizens of the country

So that negates POTUS being the boss of the Govenment

So when a public lawyer files a action against the Order on behalf of the citizens of the country the Attorney General sits with the public prosecutor

Who sits on the Govenment side?
 
there is only one side - and that is the constitution
That is the beauty of the American democratic system and the very thing that makes the USA "great" - the constitution and the people it protects.
 
Michael 345 said:
So that negates POTUS being the boss of the Govenment
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The POTUS is only the CEO (president) of an organization (Government) and is directly responsible and accountable to the shareholders ( citizens ) of which he is only one ( citizen-vote)
 
The AG serves at the whim of the President. You clearly don't understand our system of government.

The President does have to have the respect of the rest of the executive branch however. If they all resign it would be a problem. Nixon ended up resigning after he ordered is AG to fire Archibald Cox who was an appoint independent prosecutor to look into the Watergate affair. Nixon order the AG to fire Cox. The AG resigned instead. Nixon then fired Cox himself but due to the underlying circumstances ended up resigning himself.
 
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