The morality behind veganism

[wegs]

That sound is an association of ideas. We are accustomed to thinking of appetizing food as having had to run terrified from somebody who corralled it, prodded it onto a cattle-truck, drove it, wedged in with other scared-smelling bodies for hundred of miles, unloaded it in the blood-mud of an abattoir, goaded it in through a chute to the.... well, you know the rest, including chain-hook on overhead conveyor.

That's such a great way to put it. And it's true. Not to mention the additional abuse on top of that, it's just such an eye opener to see what a good number of large dairy factory farming companies are really doing behind the scenes.

This is real meat, from real bovine DNA... only cleaner.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...893f34-e630-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html

It sounds a bit like mad science lol but it could be a healthy, ethical alternative.

 

[wegs]

Hell is famous for its cattle. Would you eat the meat of only and if deceitful animals?

I imagine it would be a bit charred.

 

[wegs]

An excellent article about how the dairy industry is 'fighting back' against alternatives to milk and its products:

http://www.care2.com/causes/dairy-industry-fighting-sales-decline-with-get-real-campaign.html

Interesting to note, that we simply don't need milk in our diets, and this has been a lie for a long time.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Interesting to note, that we simply don't need milk in our diets, and this has been a lie for a long time.

Mother's milk?

 

[wegs]

Mother's milk?

The lie is that we need milk from another animal in our diets for good health. We don't.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

The lie is that we need milk from another animal in our diets for good health. We don't.

You may be rich.

But I know people living on the streets that require sustenance in any fashion they can get it.

 

[wegs]

You may be rich.

But I know people living on the streets that require sustenance in any fashion they can get it.

I'm not rich, but it's interesting that you think cow's milk is providing them with ''sustenance.'' Unless you consider growth hormones, antibiotics, and milk from abused cows to be ''sustenance.''

 

[Beer w/Straw]

I didn't specify cows milk.

All I'm wanting to convey is that eating meat is not immoral.

 

[Dr_Toad]

I sometime eat things that aren't dead. Is that immoral? Or just fun?

 

[wegs]

I didn't specify cows milk.

That's where the corruption and inhumane business practices lie, in many of the dairy factory farms. There are humane farms, but for the sake of this thread, I'm talking of cow's milk.

All I'm wanting to convey is that eating meat is not immoral.

Not all meat, no. Some farms believe in the ethical treatment of their animals, and I don't see anything wrong with someone wishing to consume meat, but I'm hopeful that this thread at least brings some awareness as to how many of the farms in the US are conducting their businesses. Many cows in this ''system''never see the light of day because they're born in a factory setting, and they remain there until they die. There's something profoundly wrong with that, in my opinion anyway. I wish I could say that it's a small percentage that operate like this, but it's not.

 

[wegs]

I sometime eat things that aren't dead. Is that immoral? Or just fun?

I'm afraid to ask.

 

[iceaura]

That sound is an association of ideas. We are accustomed to thinking of appetizing food as having had to run terrified from somebody who corralled it, prodded it onto a cattle-truck, drove it, wedged in with other scared-smelling bodies for hundred of miles, unloaded it in the blood-mud of an abattoir, goaded it in through a chute to the.... well, you know the rest, including chain-hook on overhead conveyor.
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No, we aren't. Nobody is accustomed to thinking of appetizing food that way except a few employees of such operations.

When people are aware, they eat better food.

If you are genetically set up to drink milk, it's good for you - in moderation, like anything else. Humans don't "need" any single food.

 

[Jeeves]

Mmmmm - it's good to be an omnivore!

 

[Bowser]

Soylent green??

That's my thought when I look at Spam and Hot Dogs. They say it is meat, but...?

 

[wegs]

That's my thought when I look at Spam and Hot Dogs. They say it is meat, but...?

Beware of ''they'' lol

 

[Bowser]

Beware of ''they'' lol

I've worked for "they"

 

[wegs]

Ugh, so gross!!! I used to like a hot dog now and again so thank you, that's cured me forever!

 

[Jeeves]

There is much about processed foods that we don't know and don't want to know.
Best option: don't put anything in your mouth that you have not seen from its origins.
Ideally, we would all participate in vegetable gardening and harvesting - yes, in the cities! yes, in high-rises! yes, in slums! yes, in cold climates! - preserving and making our own food.

 

[cluelusshusbund]

There is much about processed foods that we don't know and don't want to know.
Best option: don't put anything in your mouth that you have not seen from its origins.

I worked at a bakery for a year... an the forman said i coud eat the cup cake stuff in the boxes next to the wall... an i coudnt beleive it... all the free bakery deserts i coud eat... an after about 6 mounths i discovered that those boxes contained extra cakes that wasnt needed in curent orders... an they didnt have date codes on 'em... an when they did need some of 'em for an order the forman woud hold the cup cake up to the light an look thru the plastic to see if ther was any visible mold... an if ther wasnt he woud run 'em thru the date code machine an they received a curent date code... but no big deal cause i had alredy stoped eatin that garbage when i saw mouse nests bein dumped into the giant mixer bowls as the flower was added... an also saw a mouse get squshed in the convayer belt chain an mouse juice squirted all over the belt which had cookies on it... an the forman wiped up the juice in between the cookie dough on the belt an sent the cookeys to the oven to be baked... an also... the grease machine wasnt workin good an the forman stuck his hand down in the grease to clean the filter an pulled out a handful of bugs... then the machine worked great an we was back in bidness makin cupcakes... yum yum.!!!

 

[Bowser]

There is much about processed foods that we don't know and don't want to know.
Best option: don't put anything in your mouth that you have not seen from its origins.

My experience in the industry has been reasonably positive. Hygiene was always an imperative--washing your hands before returning to work, wearing hair and beard nets, not being allowed to work if having a cut or open wound. No jewelry was allowed. We had to inventory all tools before and after a shift. All product had to pass through a metal detector. Machinery had to be thoroughly cleaned whenever we switched to a new product. All doors into the facility had to remain locked 24/7 to prevent anyone not authorized from entering the facility (Federal Law). They were constantly vigilant and on guard against rodents and insects.

Regardless of the mechanized nature of processed food, I believe most companies try very hard to provide a safe product.