The Longest Goodbye thread ever!

reiku

you ok man

now listen, dont worry about it man, just have confidence in yourself that you know your shit... dont worry about what a stranger thinks, just express your views and let other people agree or disgree, dont get to worried about it.

and if anyone is mocking my man rieku then you can suck a dead mans dick, i am not havin anyone mock reiku, messing with rekiu is messin with me!!!!

and to be honest draqon you and others you have rather disappointed me by the tone and context of what you have written below.

reiku aint a wanker or evil mutha fucka so dont mock him!!! he's a genuine nice guy

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out Zak
 
Oh, another thread full of whining by Reiku. Please delete this soap.


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you are completely wrong, reiku ha only posted once in this thread!!!:D

and as this is post 11 or 12, 1 out of 11 or 12 is hardly full of reikus whining now is it

just leave it out
 
So Dragon and Greenberg are pairing up to depreciate my sweet sweet reply.

But what difference does it make, says I, for I wasn't exactly expecting respect over such a trivial post.

Dragon: your nitpicking my choice of words reveals your utter contempt for my trivial creativity. Or perhaps your thick-skinned sensitivity lacks refinement for the triviality of the obvious. Forever and ever feels like forever.

Greenberg: what is the point? what's in it for me? with such a posting?? My my, the forums' self-appointed charge d'affaires seems irked—but over such a trivial post, disappointing. You missed the keyword: whenever. Whenever I feel like it without feeling obligated to do so. If people were more mindful of the "whenever", then perhaps committing oneself to write and observe these trivial farewell posts wouldn't feel so obligating. Unless, of course, one chooses to trivialize one's transit.

This is uncalled for.
You read into my post a tone of voice that was not there.
 
The trick then is to not look for diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect, and you'll thus be able to post as I do, for ever and ever. Whenever.

What is the point of posting if, as you post, you do "not look for diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect"?

What is in it for you in posting if you do "not look for diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect"?

Have you trivialized your transit at this forum?
 
What is the point of posting if, as you post, you do "not look for diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect"?

What is in it for you in posting if you do "not look for diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect"?

Because if one is made to be aware of, as Reiku has done for us in his opening post, that the forums lack diplomacy, understanding, and mutual respect, then it's only a temporary acknowledgment of awareness—just as when you're caught under a rain without an umbrella and you're getting soaking wet. But most of the time the rain doesn't affect you and you're not getting wet because most of the time an umbrella is already held open. Hence, most of the time one isn't mindful that there's a lack of diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect. Simple.

As to my trivializing my transit here... it's an on/off metro ride.
 
Because if one is made to be aware of, as Reiku has done for us in his opening post, that the forums lack diplomacy, understanding, and mutual respect, then it's only a temporary acknowledgment of awareness—just as when you're caught under a rain without an umbrella and you're getting soaking wet. But most of the time the rain doesn't affect you and you're not getting wet because most of the time an umbrella is already held open. Hence, most of the time one isn't mindful that there's a lack of diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect. Simple.

Agreed. However, I think that in the long run, poor mindfulness or even an absence of midnfulness that there's a lack of diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect, is harmful to the individual. People affect eachother in many subtle and subversive ways, without even noticing. By the time one actually becomes aware of how one has abandoned oneself to a specific company, theat company's effects might be so strong that it seems they cannot be undone anymore, or would take an awful lot of time and effort to undo.


As to my trivializing my transit here... it's an on/off metro ride.

Hello there, stranger. :)
 
Agreed. However, I think that in the long run, poor mindfulness or even an absence of mindfulness that there's a lack of diplomacy, understanding, or mutual respect, is harmful to the individual.
But in a place like the forums, the environment is disorienting, I think. Not only the forums, in my opinion, but anything virtual where strangers must rely on the written form to convey their very person.


People affect eachother in many subtle and subversive ways, without even noticing.
I don't know, is it just me, but why do people keep associating virtual relations with real relations? I mean, much of ourselves is attested to, contested, interpreted on a daily basis in real life—and much of that is cued in real life by the visual and auditory signs we emit of our person, our temperaments, our countenance, our humor, our patience, our tempo, etc. But on the web all we have is the alphabet, generic emoticons, and italics. I mean, I may be Ripley to Sciforums, but I most certainly am not in my neighborhood.


By the time one actually becomes aware of how one has abandoned oneself to a specific company, theat company's effects might be so strong that it seems they cannot be undone anymore, or would take an awful lot of time and effort to undo.
What does a company have to do with anything here??


Hello there, stranger. :)
And that's just about how it is in a virtual reality—unless one doesn't have much to hide.
 
But in a place like the forums, the environment is disorienting, I think. Not only the forums, in my opinion, but anything virtual where strangers must rely on the written form to convey their very person.

I think most depends on the criteria and priorities an individual has about why they are engaging in communication with others in the first place.

These criteria and priorities might be centered around meeting other people, being sociable and such. A person with such criteria and priorities might consider it a priority to convey their person.

But for someone else, these criteria and priorities about why they are engaging in communication with others, might be centered around exchanging ideas, solving philosophical problems etc.. For such a person, the aspect of being sociable is secondary, and they are little concerned about conveying their person.

There is likely going to be a clash between these two groups. The difference between them is sometimes hard to tell, because the words might be the same, yet the motivations for speaking them wholly different.


People affect eachother in many subtle and subversive ways, without even noticing.

I don't know, is it just me, but why do people keep associating virtual relations with real relations? I mean, much of ourselves is attested to, contested, interpreted on a daily basis in real life—and much of that is cued in real life by the visual and auditory signs we emit of our person, our temperaments, our countenance, our humor, our patience, our tempo, etc. But on the web all we have is the alphabet, generic emoticons, and italics. I mean, I may be Ripley to Sciforums, but I most certainly am not in my neighborhood.

I am talking about affecting eachother, and this can happen in many areas of experience.
There are the areas typical for face-to-face communication, the visual, the auditory, the olfactory and whatever else there might be. And those areas are, of course, compromised in online communication.

But RL and online communication have one thing in common: the exchange of ideas. People do affect eachother via their ideas - the concepts and lines of reasoning they put forward.
Perhaps I am more of a "rationalist" than you are, but I am sometimes most strongly affected precisely via ideas, the concepts and lines of reasoning people put forward.


By the time one actually becomes aware of how one has abandoned oneself to a specific company, theat company's effects might be so strong that it seems they cannot be undone anymore, or would take an awful lot of time and effort to undo.

What does a company have to do with anything here??

"Company" as in "those people or things etc. which one spends time with, engages with"; not as a "business firm".
 
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I think most depends on the criteria and priorities an individual has about why they are engaging in communication with others in the first place. These criteria and priorities might be centered around meeting other people, being sociable and such. A person with such criteria and priorities might consider it a priority to convey their person.

But for someone else, these criteria and priorities about why they are engaging in communication with others, might be centered around exchanging ideas, solving philosophical problems etc.. For such a person, the aspect of being sociable is secondary, and they are little concerned about conveying their person.

There is likely going to be a clash between these two groups. The difference between them is sometimes hard to tell, because the words might be the same, yet the motivations for speaking them wholly different.

Well, I'm not seeing much distinction between both groups because both are already almost religiously set in their ways, hence your own expectations of expecting them to act as expectant "individuals"—and the forums' expectations of them as a non-exceptional "member" class.

And most people, I suppose, are unwittingly set for life: their criteria and priorities, their outlook in life, their expectations, are more or less simple, direct, clear-cut, predictable—regardless of whether or not their reasoning behind visiting these forums is strictly for business or pleasure or a comfortable combination of both. —Deviation, for them, is practically a vacuous significance because these fine people are further locked in their ways by a sort of automatic stabilizer conditioning: a thick surrounding format of social familiarities that will oblige them to reset their characters—or criteria and priorities—to the default setting should they begin to jaywalk.

But there's a third group: those others who are also very much set in their ways—in their dark, sometimes unfamiliar, manifold, and ever-expanding ways. People who can't help but to flow in or out, evolving or regressing year in, year out, sometimes by degrees, sometimes in leaps and bounds. Touching base with a set "Criteria and Priorities" is ludicrous for them because these shift and alter during transit.

Granted, in a social environment such as that of a forum where topics are discussed and social interplay is expected, they will mingle and pantomime their way around, but will adopt and experience or experiment; trying something new, something old, something borrowed. And for the most part no one will recognize them for what they aren't—nor they them much—until someone comes along and... anticipates them. Then it gets sort of like draggy.

Perhaps I am more of a "rationalist" than you are, but I am sometimes most strongly affected precisely via ideas, the concepts and lines of reasoning people put forward.
And so do I, but the procedure involved is perhaps what makes the difference—and I'm saying perhaps because it's still not absolutely clear to me yet. But the procedure of "exchange" for me represents a singular opportunity, a platform, perhaps a runway, the unpredictable junction that might unite inner, external, and different worlds together. A sense of becoming, being, dying—not a data bank, a town hall, or a buddy list.

But access to this procedure is sadly narrowed down some now that Sciforums is so stilted in "Criteria and Priorities". But that's what the new majority wants, isn't it? a place to feed on vanilla expectations? And isn't that how Sciforums now promotes... science?

Sciforums has become anti-bohemian.
 
Sciforums has become anti-bohemian.

It is a matter of survival. Some win, some lose.


But there's a third group: those others who are also very much set in their ways—in their dark, sometimes unfamiliar, manifold, and ever-expanding ways. People who can't help but to flow in or out, evolving or regressing year in, year out, sometimes by degrees, sometimes in leaps and bounds. Touching base with a set "Criteria and Priorities" is ludicrous for them because these shift and alter during transit.

Granted, in a social environment such as that of a forum where topics are discussed and social interplay is expected, they will mingle and pantomime their way around, but will adopt and experience or experiment; trying something new, something old, something borrowed. And for the most part no one will recognize them for what they aren't—nor they them much—until someone comes along and... anticipates them. Then it gets sort of like draggy.

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And so do I, but the procedure involved is perhaps what makes the difference—and I'm saying perhaps because it's still not absolutely clear to me yet. But the procedure of "exchange" for me represents a singular opportunity, a platform, perhaps a runway, the unpredictable junction that might unite inner, external, and different worlds together. A sense of becoming, being, dying—

That is a lot to stake on a moment. Perhaps it is better that way.
 
just the facts, ma'am
expressing emotion is not required
it is a secondary consideration
an afterthought of no real value
 
Goodbye

Time for something else.
Thanks to everyone that made this a fun place for a while.

Goodbye :)
 
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