The irrelevance of God

Magical Realist said:
Why not? You expect as much in your everyday life. You would certainly take issue with a friend or relative who claimed they had an invisible friend who could magically make things happen. If not in the interest of objective truth, at least in the interest of that person's sanity. Besides, theists are notorious for thinking ill of those who don't believe in their god. Whole levels of hell have been imaginatively contrived to accomodate such heretics. Don't you take issue with that kind of thinking?
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Not all theists are interested in "converting" others to their way of thinking. That said, I'm not interested in changing theists' minds to my way of thinking. I was once a religious person and it has been a long and winding road that I've traveled, to get to where I feel content as to my beliefs. As content as I can be, for the time being.

People have to find their own way as it relates to spirituality, etc...

Don't get me wrong, I understand the premise of your thread. But, I'd hate to see atheism/agnosticism morph into a "religion" unto itself ...the very thing it's speaking against. :eek: That is more of my point.
 
I agree with Wegs for the most part. I don't try to convince others that blue is a prettier color than pink even though I think it is.

Why not wait to bring out the arguments against religion until either someone is pushing their religion on the public or until the subject is one where religion is intruding into the subject (science)?
 
arauca said:
I wonder how come men progressed but the ape did not
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Who says the ape hasn't evolved as well as man? We have a common ancestor and we have both branched off from that ancestor.

How can one have an opinion of evolution without understanding evolution in the first place?
 
Seattle said:
I agree with Wegs for the most part. I don't try to convince others that blue is a prettier color than pink even though I think it is.

Why not wait to bring out the arguments against religion until either someone is pushing their religion on the public or until the subject is one where religion is intruding into the subject (science)?
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Yeah, I have to agree. What's the point of this thread if not to incite anger?

How can one have an opinion of evolution without understanding evolution in the first place?
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You'll find this is true of just about all anti-evolutionists here.
 
(Q) said:
Who cares? What does that have to do with anything? You're just grasping at thin air.
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Biologically we are the same , our appearance are different , the Ape branched of from the common ancestor earlier yet it have not made much progress

כז וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ, בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ: זָכָר וּנְקֵבָה, בָּרָא אֹתָם. 27
And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
כח וַיְבָרֶךְ אֹתָם, אֱלֹהִים, וַיֹּאמֶר לָהֶם אֱלֹהִים פְּרוּ וּרְבוּ וּמִלְאוּ אֶת-הָאָרֶץ, וְכִבְשֻׁהָ; וּרְדוּ בִּדְגַת הַיָּם, וּבְעוֹף הַשָּׁמַיִם, וּבְכָל-חַיָּה, הָרֹמֶשֶׂת עַל-הָאָרֶץ. 28
And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth
 
Seattle said:
I agree with Wegs for the most part. I don't try to convince others that blue is a prettier color than pink even though I think it is.

Why not wait to bring out the arguments against religion until either someone is pushing their religion on the public or until the subject is one where religion is intruding into the subject (science)?
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Why wait at all? The op is a simple observation of a cultural fact. Will it offend those who believe in God? Probably. But since when has free discussion required topic censorship to avoid hurting people's feelings? Unless we are invoking some implicit "right to be deluded" I say discuss, confront, and debate. Life is too short to beat around the bush.
 
Magical Realist said:
Why wait at all? The op is a simple observation of a cultural fact. Will it offend those who believe in God? Probably. But since when has free discussion required topic censorship to avoid hurting people's feelings? Unless we are invoking some implicit "right to be deluded" I say discuss, confront, and debate. Life is too short to beat around the bush.
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I'm not suggesting you have no "right" to start this thread. It's just not an original topic (at all) and it's not in relation to any other topic. You can start a topic called "Vegetarians are stupid" but what's the point?
 
arauca said:
Biologically we are the same , our appearance are different , the Ape branched of from the common ancestor earlier yet it have not made much progress
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So what? Is there some point to that?

כז וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ, בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ: זָכָר וּנְקֵבָה, בָּרָא אֹתָם.
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And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
כח וַיְבָרֶךְ אֹתָם, אֱלֹהִים, וַיֹּאמֶר לָהֶם אֱלֹהִים פְּרוּ וּרְבוּ וּמִלְאוּ אֶת-הָאָרֶץ, וְכִבְשֻׁהָ; וּרְדוּ בִּדְגַת הַיָּם, וּבְעוֹף הַשָּׁמַיִם, וּבְכָל-חַיָּה, הָרֹמֶשֶׂת עַל-הָאָרֶץ. 28
And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth
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Those are just myths and superstitions, irrelevant to reality.
 
Seattle said:
I'm not suggesting you have no "right" to start this thread. It's just not an original topic (at all) and it's not in relation to any other topic. You can start a topic called "Vegetarians are stupid" but what's the point?
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First you call the op novel, then you attack it for not being original. So which is it? And I haven't attacked any believers. I have simply observed the cultural trend over the past few centuries of God becoming irrelevant to our everyday lives. Why is that construed as some personal insult, particularly in a forum dedicated to science?
 
Magical Realist said:
First you call the op novel, then you attack for not being original. So which is it? And I haven't attacked any believers. I have simply observed the cultural trend over the past few centuries of God becoming irrelevant to our everyday lives. Why is that construed as some personal insult, particularly in a forum dedicated to science?
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The "novel" part was sarcasm. You wanted discussion. I'm discussing :)
 
(Q) said:
So what? Is there some point to that?

כז וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ, בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ: זָכָר וּנְקֵבָה, בָּרָא אֹתָם.

Those are just myths and superstitions, irrelevant to reality.
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What ever you want to call this , but it was written several thousand years ago, so this did not start just 100 years but many thousands . It may have something.
 
arauca said:
What ever you want to call this , but it was written several thousand years ago, so this did not start just 100 years but many thousands . It may have something.
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Yes, that was written in a time when men were incredibly ignorant about the world around them, while they wallowed in myths and superstitions. As we can see, not much has changed for some folks who believe there "may be something" to it.
 
(Q) said:
Yes, that was written in a time when men were incredibly ignorant about the world around them, while they wallowed in myths and superstitions. As we can see, not much has changed for some folks who believe there "may be something" to it.
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Would you say human dominate the earth ? and all animals ? and we went to the moon . God have give his spirit to man but not to the ape, so we evolved , but the ape did not .
 
Seattle said:
There is nothing to discuss. You are right.
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I think what you're trying to say is why start a thread about the irrelevance of God if he is ...well, irrelevant. :D

In fairness though, Magical is simply sharing an atheist's viewpoint, no different than the various threads that others create here, discussing the relevance of God. Ya know? :eek:
 
arauca said:
Would you say human dominate the earth ? and all animals ? and we went to the moon . God have give his spirit to man but not to the ape, so we evolved , but the ape did not .
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Sorry, but that is just nonsensical gibberish.
 
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