So, all you want is for everyone to accept the coming apocalypse and be done with it?
The Etp Model Has Been Empirically Confirmed
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No. I am just fascinated with patterns of denial.
It sounds like you just don't want anybody to believe that an apocalypse is a real possibility. Are you afraid that apocalypse talk will cause an apocalypse?
---Futilitist
Yes, and the other threads you had about the bad stuffs made me wet myself too.
Do you believe that?
In Denmark I think the Blood Moon's tomorrow night.
Got a nice full moon atm.
Got a nice full moon atm.
Even if you are not this idiot called "Hill". no matter. You are peddling trash that he/she/it stands to gain from. Nobody except an idiot would spend money to for such a thinly veiled piece of fraudulent material.
This is not a thread about science or math, nor is it about petroleum engineering, nor economics. This is a thread about how not to write a paper. Essentially, this is about a 9th or 10th grade level topic in English. Go back and learn how to write an essay.
http://writingcenter.fas.harvard.edu/pages/essay-structure
http://www.schoolatoz.nsw.edu.au/homework-and-study/homework-tips/10-tips-for-writing-an-essay
http://library.bcu.ac.uk/learner/writingguides/1.01 Essays.htm
The fatal flaw in the OP is fallacy. Learn what that means and stop doing it.
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/659/03/
For an example of how to present a cogent thesis, here is an actual "report" (evidently) written by actual experts (evidently) which addresses the question of energy spent in production of shale oil which seems to be the idea you (and/or this "Hill" idiot) were trying to develop.
http://www.circleofblue.org/waterne...010/08/oilshale-assessment-2010-for-water.pdf
BTW the name "the Hill's Group" sounds moronic. It appears to contain a grammatical error. The implication is that it is a group associated with The Hill, not a person named Hill. That, and the fake report number, and the other stuff I mentioned, just makes the sham/scam nature of this whole thread all the more obvious.
Of course not. I didn't mean literally afraid. But the topic of apocalypse is often considered to be taboo.
You do spend an awful lot of time and effort to keep me from talking about an apocalypse. Almost like an obsession. You clearly don't want me to talk about apocalypse. Why not?
If this kind of apocalypse talk were really as stupid as you make it sound, why just not ignore it instead? Do you spend as much time dealing with people who believe in bigfoot or UFOs? If so, are you insane? If not, why not?
There is obviously something about the subject of apocalypse that seems to trouble you a great deal. What is it?
Or are you just fascinated with me?
---Futilitist
Does the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics predict the apocalypse?
Not by itself. But by applying the second law, we can begin to specify the limits to economic growth. That has been pretty well discussed throughout the thread.
But we were just having an interesting conversation about the psychology of apocalypse. Why are you trying to change the subject? I just asked you a bunch of questions and you didn't even answer one of them.
Why are you being so evasive?
---Futilitist
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It's scary.
The second coming of Jesus is important.
Are you a Bigfoot denier?
Well... Maybe I am insane.
I don't want to burn in Hell for being a sinner.
You're my bestest friend.
Not by itself. But by applying the second law, we can begin to specify the limits to economic growth. That is what we have been discussing throughout the thread.
But why are you trying to change the subject? I just asked you a bunch of questions and you didn't even answer one of them.
But the second coming/apocalypse/collapse of civilization can be predicted with physical laws?
---Beer w/Straw
I never said anything about a second coming. I am an atheist.It's scary.
The second coming of Jesus is important.
Are you a Bigfoot denier?
Well... Maybe I am insane.
I don't want to burn in Hell for being a sinner.
You're my bestest friend.
But the second coming/apocalypse/collapse of civilization can be predicted with physical laws?
---Beer w/Straw
You are not funny and you didn't really answer any of my questions. You are being overly defensive for some reason.
---Futilitist
I wasn't trying to be funny. I gave enough attention to your questions as they deserved.
Why would I be defensive? You are like a sociopath that blames others for what they themselves are guilty of. Your entire case rests on thermodynamics but you fail to see how wrongly you apply it.
This lackluster thread will get locked soon.
Why would I be defensive? You are like a sociopath that blames others for what they themselves are guilty of. Your entire case rests on thermodynamics but you fail to see how wrongly you apply it.
This lackluster thread will get locked soon.
You spent your last five posts falsely accusing me of being BWHill. You were wrong and you now sort of admit it. But you don't offer an apology, just more false accusations. You are rude.
Wow. You are seriously grandiose and delusional. This isn't a class and you are not a teacher. This is an informal science discussion forum. I am certainly not writing any essays for you.
And the fatal flaw in your argument is that, once again, you have not specified any actual fallacies supposedly contained in my OP. You are just making stuff up. Learn what it means to think and start doing it.
Ha ha! Bad example. The report you linked concerns oil shale, not shale oil!
You can't even read!That report is about oil shale, which is not even oil, it is kerogen. Shale oil, on the other hand, is actually oil. It is also called tight oil. Shale oil is found in shale formations that don't allow the oil to flow as easily as in a conventional oil well. You don't have any idea what you are talking about. Nice try.
You showed up on this thread screaming fraud. But you have been wrong about everything you have said so far. All you are left with is that you don't like the name "The Hill's Group" and some vague, unspecified suspicions. Much ado about nothing.
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That feels like a threat.
You have admitted that you really don't understand thermodynamics well enough to say that I am wrongly applying it. No one else here has proven that the Etp model is invalid, either.
There is absolutely no reason to lock this thread. Most threads on this forum do not end by being locked. They just naturally fade away when people lose interest. So, ironically, your weird obsession is actually contributing to keeping the thread going! If you don't like the thread, you should just go away and let nature take it's course.
This thread has had 10,821 views so far! It is possible that other people might enjoy the chance to seriously discuss the topic. Why stop them?
---Futilitist
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Here is another interesting quote by BWHill to perhaps generate some serious discussion:
"Between 1960 and 2009 world oil production grew at an average rate of 2.51% per year. It grew at that rate for half a century and no "glut" appeared. The world easily absorbed that increased production. Since 2009 world production has grown by 1.31% per year, and we now have the highest inventory in history.
The excess supply is the direct result of the entropic decay of the world's petroleum system. Petroleum will never again be able to drive enough economic activity to produce the demand for all that is produced. The ability of a unit of petroleum to power the economy is declining and has now fallen to a critical level."
~BWHill
---Futilitist
"Between 1960 and 2009 world oil production grew at an average rate of 2.51% per year. It grew at that rate for half a century and no "glut" appeared. The world easily absorbed that increased production. Since 2009 world production has grown by 1.31% per year, and we now have the highest inventory in history.
The excess supply is the direct result of the entropic decay of the world's petroleum system. Petroleum will never again be able to drive enough economic activity to produce the demand for all that is produced. The ability of a unit of petroleum to power the economy is declining and has now fallen to a critical level."
~BWHill
---Futilitist
You're the one who has to "prove" that it is valid. So far you haven't done anything except make claims and "because BW Hill says so".
People have been repeatedly explaining to you WHY it isn't valid, but you just keep ignoring them.
Or a prediction. But nevertheless, you don't feel threatened by me in the least do you?
I said I never knew much about the oil industry, not thermodynamics.
Maybe I'm bored, but your other stupid threads about the apocalypse or what not have gotten locked.
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/apocalypse-soon.133084/
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/oi...d-law-of-thermodynamics-the-etp-model.145678/
Serious discussion? It was evident from your first post you didn't come here for a serious discussion.
It's kinda' like being at the zoo for cranks of their own free will and watching them on my monitor.
I have not ignored anyone. I have shown throughout the thread that that the Etp model is, in fact, valid. People bring up all sorts of arguments against it, but most of these arguments are not valid. In fact, I have answered all of the arguments against the Etp model, even the invalid ones. Whenever I answer one of these false claims with valid counter arguments, these counter arguments go unanswered. Then, a little later, the false claim is just reasserted, requiring that I re-answer it or allow a false impression be created. You guys are all cheating. That is why we are up to 48 pages.
Let's resolve this once and for all. Please list the best serious arguments you can think of against the Etp model. Number them for clarity. I will answer them all and prove, once again, that the Etp model is valid.
I think you are a harbinger of doom.
Are you now claiming to have some expertise in thermodynamics? Really? It is not evident in any of your posts.
Those threads were both locked.
If you are bored with the topic, I would prefer that you go away. Your presence here is only destructive. It is very selfish of you to constantly ruin the continuity this thread for everyone else.
That is false. I am trying very hard to make this a serious discussion. It was evident from your first post that you are a troll.
I have no idea what that means.
"Nothing in life is certain except death, taxes and the second law of thermodynamics. All three are processes in which useful or accessible forms of some quantity, such as energy or money, are transformed into useless, inaccessible forms of the same quantity. That is not to say that these three processes don't have fringe benefits: taxes pay for roads and schools; the second law of thermodynamics drives cars, computers and metabolism; and death, at the very least, opens up tenured faculty positions."
~Seth Lloyd
The world economy is a thermodynamic system. The second law mandates that the oil production process, which provides most of the energy for the world economy, must experience entropy over time. Money is what we use to buy energy. The Etp model shows how all of these things are related.
In a larger sense, civilization itself is a thermodynamic process. All thermodynamic processes eventually run down. That shouldn't come as a shock to anyone, but it still does.
---Futilitist
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Please do not troll.
Where is the Chuck Norris variable in your equations?
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Sorry, I meant the Chuck Norris constant... Maybe? Ah damn, it's too damn hard to predict. Can't say I could put it all together. Guess I could ask.
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