To begin from a position of that which has yet to demonstrate itself beyond myth, adding more assumptions, and then proclaim that reason leads you to arrive at an absolute conclusion for which only the 'enlightened' may claim, does not preclude the fact that any such whimsical fairy tale one may entertain be equally valid.
The Essentials of Islam
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To begin from a position of that which has yet to demonstrate itself beyond myth, adding more assumptions, and then proclaim that reason leads you to arrive at an absolute conclusion for which only the 'enlightened' may claim, does not preclude the fact that any such whimsical fairy tale one may entertain be equally valid.
No, what you are showing is the propagandized version of Islam, not to be confused with the actual practices.
The NT makes the same claim the Qur’an does on the invisible traits of God, as seen above in the quote from Nature, posted by Encephalonean, which proves the NT is true: Romans 1:20-23 “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man (Jesus is a man) and birds and four-footed beasts and creeping things…. who exchanged the truth of God for the LIE, and worshiped and served the creature (worshipped Jesus) rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.”
Paul told the truth above, saying fools will exchange the truth of God for a lie, and follow the lie. Then soon after Paul proves what he said earlier by actually telling a lie, and the fools will believe it: Romans 3:4. “ Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a LIAR. As it is written: "That You may be justified in Your words, and may overcome when You are judged.'' (Paul is a man.)
Then again Romans 3:7 “For if the truth of God has increased through my LIE to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? (He warned the reader a second time.)
Then Paul takes verses out of context, which means he builds a foundation to support his LIES: Romans 3:10 “ As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God.”(Paul warned the reader a third time that what follows is a lie.)
Jesus seeks for God, and so does Peter, also Mohammed, and millions of others seek for God, therefore Paul, to those who can reason, is obviously lying, but the fools, billions of them, for about 2000 years so far, fell for the lie, and can not think like a scientist, not even remotely. Once Paul has proven he will lie, thereafter Paul will teach Jesus was crucified, when he was not, and teach that Jesus is God, when he is not, and teach that your sins are forgiven by believing in Jesus, when they are not, and Paul will teach many other lies. If only Muslims would apply logic, and read the NT, they would see the Qur’an told them not to believe these lies. The Qur’an and Bible work together to show the truth, if only one would read, and would use logic. If they did, world peace could come, but so far all I find are fools, or jokesters who like to play games.
Paul told the truth above, saying fools will exchange the truth of God for a lie, and follow the lie. Then soon after Paul proves what he said earlier by actually telling a lie, and the fools will believe it: Romans 3:4. “ Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a LIAR. As it is written: "That You may be justified in Your words, and may overcome when You are judged.'' (Paul is a man.)
Then again Romans 3:7 “For if the truth of God has increased through my LIE to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? (He warned the reader a second time.)
Then Paul takes verses out of context, which means he builds a foundation to support his LIES: Romans 3:10 “ As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God.”(Paul warned the reader a third time that what follows is a lie.)
Jesus seeks for God, and so does Peter, also Mohammed, and millions of others seek for God, therefore Paul, to those who can reason, is obviously lying, but the fools, billions of them, for about 2000 years so far, fell for the lie, and can not think like a scientist, not even remotely. Once Paul has proven he will lie, thereafter Paul will teach Jesus was crucified, when he was not, and teach that Jesus is God, when he is not, and teach that your sins are forgiven by believing in Jesus, when they are not, and Paul will teach many other lies. If only Muslims would apply logic, and read the NT, they would see the Qur’an told them not to believe these lies. The Qur’an and Bible work together to show the truth, if only one would read, and would use logic. If they did, world peace could come, but so far all I find are fools, or jokesters who like to play games.
So two sources agreeing mean proof? How many physics books do you need to "prove" that the creation myth is wrong?
Your logic resides on your interpretation. Again, how many books agreeing with each other make the truth?
And which category would you put yourself in?
I call Happeh.
DiamondHearts
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I understand that most of you people probably have no interest in what Muslims views on Islam. Yet some people on this forum may be interested, so this is why I feel it is my duty as a Muslim to give a proper view, from the Muslim side, of Islamic theology. If anyone has questions, please ask simple straight forward questions. We will try to answer them diligently.
The Injeel was valid when it was given to Messiah Jesus (peace be to him), yet it was changed through various additions and subtractions. The Bible is only a corrupted form of its original form, this corrupted form existed during the time of the Prophet. This is the Muslim belief.
Please provide a citation. I have never heard this. This sounds like a fabrication.
Such a verse does not exist in the Quran, someone obviously made this fabrication to convince those unfamiliar with Islamic texts of their own viewpoint.
As Muslims, we believe Jesus (peace be to him) was sent as the Messiah (savior) of the Jews to guide them after they had fallen into error. He was not sent specifically for the gentiles. Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him) was the last messenger, sent to all mankind. Only a minority of Muslims are Arabs.
The Mosque was built and founded by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his teachings, which is a continuation of the message of all the other prophets.
This all presumes Christianity is correct and Islam is wrong.
Islam is the worship of One God without any children or partners, and no chosen race. This is what Islam essentially is.
Referring to the corrupted Torat and Injeel.
(2.79) Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
(2:62) Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
This refers to those who follow the true scriptures, not the present corrupted Torat or Injeel. Also, this shows the most important part of belief is the Oneness of God, if Islam was never shown to them.
Both nature and I are prepared to enter into a dialogue with you, but have to cite the Quran verses and also prove that the ahadith you talk about actually exist.
7.177. Evil as an example are people who reject Our signs and wrong their own souls.
178. Whom Allah doth guide,- he is on the right path: whom He rejects from His guidance,- such are the persons who perish.
179. Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).
Prove that the Quran mentions reincarnation. As Muslims, we completely reject reincarnation.
I am still suprised at what kind of comments are allowed on this forum. natures posts were deleted, yet all the posts insulting Muslims in such an inhumane way are still allowed to appear. This is definately a big problem with the moderators on this forum. Blatant Bias and Racism. I still can't believe that no moderator has yet removed the offensive cartoons on this thread.
[3.71] O followers of the Book[Jews and Christians]! Why do you confound the truth with the falsehood and hide the truth while you know?
5.66] And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do
Following the Quran is following the original Torat and Injeel as both of the message of these books is continued in the Quran. The present Bible and Torat are corrupted.
Peace
The Injeel was valid when it was given to Messiah Jesus (peace be to him), yet it was changed through various additions and subtractions. The Bible is only a corrupted form of its original form, this corrupted form existed during the time of the Prophet. This is the Muslim belief.
Please provide a citation. I have never heard this. This sounds like a fabrication.
Such a verse does not exist in the Quran, someone obviously made this fabrication to convince those unfamiliar with Islamic texts of their own viewpoint.
As Muslims, we believe Jesus (peace be to him) was sent as the Messiah (savior) of the Jews to guide them after they had fallen into error. He was not sent specifically for the gentiles. Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him) was the last messenger, sent to all mankind. Only a minority of Muslims are Arabs.
The Mosque was built and founded by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his teachings, which is a continuation of the message of all the other prophets.
This all presumes Christianity is correct and Islam is wrong.
Islam is the worship of One God without any children or partners, and no chosen race. This is what Islam essentially is.
Referring to the corrupted Torat and Injeel.
(2.79) Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
(2:62) Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
This refers to those who follow the true scriptures, not the present corrupted Torat or Injeel. Also, this shows the most important part of belief is the Oneness of God, if Islam was never shown to them.
Both nature and I are prepared to enter into a dialogue with you, but have to cite the Quran verses and also prove that the ahadith you talk about actually exist.
7.177. Evil as an example are people who reject Our signs and wrong their own souls.
178. Whom Allah doth guide,- he is on the right path: whom He rejects from His guidance,- such are the persons who perish.
179. Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).
Prove that the Quran mentions reincarnation. As Muslims, we completely reject reincarnation.
I am still suprised at what kind of comments are allowed on this forum. natures posts were deleted, yet all the posts insulting Muslims in such an inhumane way are still allowed to appear. This is definately a big problem with the moderators on this forum. Blatant Bias and Racism. I still can't believe that no moderator has yet removed the offensive cartoons on this thread.
[3.71] O followers of the Book[Jews and Christians]! Why do you confound the truth with the falsehood and hide the truth while you know?
5.66] And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do
Following the Quran is following the original Torat and Injeel as both of the message of these books is continued in the Quran. The present Bible and Torat are corrupted.
Peace
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Yes, indeed. Their religion, and religion in general has created an infantile breed of men, unable to deal with the emerging truths of 21st century knowledge except to shut them out.
From the Qur’an, Chapter 17 “Children of Israel“ verses , 61-64. …I (Called Iblis by Muslims, or the Devil by Christians) will bring his progeny into complete subjugation, except a very few. …God said: mislead any of them with your voice (The Devil‘s voice can sound like Gabriel’s voice)…
There is also Chapter, 38 “Sad,“ verses 73-86, which says near the same, where the Devil will take almost every one, except the slaves of God. The slaves of God are people like Mohammed, or Jesus, and his apostles, who are not many, so that means most will be lead astray. There is hope, keep reading.
The Qur’an talks of people like “DiamondHearts” who leads people astray, who does the bidding of Iblis. DiamondHearts makes many statements of pure fabrication, all the while he says others make fabrications. Every Muslim I have ever met is like him, proving that Iblis has taken almost all. Here is a website that asks for the application of scientific reasoning, not the application of denial, and fabrications: http://home.earthlink.net/~donutnous/
There is also Chapter, 38 “Sad,“ verses 73-86, which says near the same, where the Devil will take almost every one, except the slaves of God. The slaves of God are people like Mohammed, or Jesus, and his apostles, who are not many, so that means most will be lead astray. There is hope, keep reading.
The Qur’an talks of people like “DiamondHearts” who leads people astray, who does the bidding of Iblis. DiamondHearts makes many statements of pure fabrication, all the while he says others make fabrications. Every Muslim I have ever met is like him, proving that Iblis has taken almost all. Here is a website that asks for the application of scientific reasoning, not the application of denial, and fabrications: http://home.earthlink.net/~donutnous/
"3.71] O followers of the Book[Jews and Christians]! Why do you confound the truth with the falsehood and hide the truth while you know?"
Muslims like DiamondHearts confound the truth with falsehood, therefore that verse can be used just as well to say the Qur’an is false. The Qur’an says Muslims will do the same to the Qur’an as that found in 3.71. DiamondHearts can show those verses as easily as I can. I will not insult myself, nor intelligent readers by showing such easy to find verses that a child can find. Why doesn’t he be impartial? Why his hatred of the Book?
“5.66] And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do”
Again, if one does not follow their Holy Book, no matter what it is, whether the OT, NT, Qur’an, Hindu Holy Books, Buddhist Holy Books, and so on, they will not fair well, but if they do follow the moderate course, they will fair fine. Therefore that verse DiamondHeart thought proved the Injeel is false, proves it is true.
Every Muslim I have met has confused the falsehoods of the believers to mean their Holy Book is false.
This seems absurd to have to make such a simple comparison, for this should insult anyone with some common sense, but it appears this comparison is required. DH, and every Muslim I have ever met appears to be saying that if one has an advanced book of Physics on their desk, validated as true by the scientific community, that whoever owns that book also has a Ph. D. in physics, even if they can not read, nor understand one aspect of physics. Anyone with the least amount of sense knows that any book that is true does not make the believer true, nor does a false believer make a true book false.
Muslims like DiamondHearts confound the truth with falsehood, therefore that verse can be used just as well to say the Qur’an is false. The Qur’an says Muslims will do the same to the Qur’an as that found in 3.71. DiamondHearts can show those verses as easily as I can. I will not insult myself, nor intelligent readers by showing such easy to find verses that a child can find. Why doesn’t he be impartial? Why his hatred of the Book?
“5.66] And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do”
Again, if one does not follow their Holy Book, no matter what it is, whether the OT, NT, Qur’an, Hindu Holy Books, Buddhist Holy Books, and so on, they will not fair well, but if they do follow the moderate course, they will fair fine. Therefore that verse DiamondHeart thought proved the Injeel is false, proves it is true.
Every Muslim I have met has confused the falsehoods of the believers to mean their Holy Book is false.
This seems absurd to have to make such a simple comparison, for this should insult anyone with some common sense, but it appears this comparison is required. DH, and every Muslim I have ever met appears to be saying that if one has an advanced book of Physics on their desk, validated as true by the scientific community, that whoever owns that book also has a Ph. D. in physics, even if they can not read, nor understand one aspect of physics. Anyone with the least amount of sense knows that any book that is true does not make the believer true, nor does a false believer make a true book false.
DiamondHearts
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17:61. Behold! We said to the angels: "Bow down unto Adam": They bowed down except Iblis: He said, "Shall I bow down to one whom Thou didst create from clay?"
62. He said: "Seest Thou? this is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway - all but a few!"
63. ((Allah)) said: "Go thy way; if any of them follow thee, verily Hell will be the recompense of you (all)- an ample recompense.
64. "Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit.
65. "As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:" Enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs.
Please provide the Quranic verses in context just as I have demonstrated. Reading a simple verse does not make you a scholar. You must be familiar about the Quranic story from other verses, along with the Hadith.
The commentary on this verse is that satan is speaking of misguiding many of the children of Adam (peace be to him), and Allah (swt) says those who serve God (Muslims) will not be under the satan's influence.
38:77. ((Allah)) said: "Then get thee out from here: for thou art rejected, accursed.
78. "And My curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment."
79. (Iblis) said: "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised."
80. ((Allah)) said: "Respite then is granted thee-
81. "Till the Day of the Time Appointed."
82. (Iblis) said: "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-
83. "Except Thy Servants amongst them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."
84. ((Allah)) said: "Then it is just and fitting- and I say what is just and fitting-
85. "That I will certainly fill Hell with thee and those that follow thee,- every one."
Your reading of the Quran is highly subjective and without any coherence. I have the right to explain the Quran, being a student of Islamic theology, while you do not have that same right. It is obvious by your post that you don't understand the Quran or Islam.
Muslims don't follow satan, this is a strange idea invented by those who don't understand Islam.
40.66 Say: I am forbidden to serve those whom you call upon besides Allah when clear arguments have come to me from my Lord, and I am commanded that I should submit to the Lord of the worlds.
Is this your website?
This refers to a section of the people of the book. Also related in the Quran is this:
3:75. Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it.
Prove where I have mixed truth with falsehood and prove this from the Quran. I have studied the Quran long enough to easily disprove your silly interpretations.
The Quran says that it cannot be changed:
[17.88] Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others.
a challenge:
10:37. This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
38. Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
39. Nay, they charge with falsehood that whose knowledge they cannot compass, even before the elucidation thereof hath reached them: thus did those before them make charges of falsehood: but see what was the end of those who did wrong!
another challenge:
33. Or do they say, "He fabricated the (Message)"? Nay, they have no faith!
34. Let them then produce a recital like unto it,- If (it be) they speak the truth!
2.59] But those who were unjust changed it for a saying other than that which had been spoken to them, so We sent upon those who were unjust a pestilence from heaven, because they transgressed.
5:65. If only the People of the Book had believed and been righteous, We should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to gardens of bliss.
66. If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil.
The key word here is IF ONLY. The problem is that they did not preserve the original Torat and Injeel. This is why Allah (swt) sent the Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him) to bring a book which could never be changed and would last forever. A book confirming and expanding what came before.
The book is changed, there are too many discrepancies in the modern Bible.
You are looking at the Quran and Bible from a different view than Muslims and a view which is essentially the opposite of the Quran while still proclaiming you follow the Quran. Because you have read a few isolated verses does not qualify you a scholar of the Quran, and definately not a scholar on Islam.
I think this same characterization can go for most people on this forum who want to speak of Islam with little to no knowledge. Rash generalizations and incoherent arguments only further destroy your point.
Some "Essentials" of Islam:
An Atheist's Guide to Mohammedanism
Ibn Warraq: Why I Am Not A Muslim
The Logic of Allah's Existence
The Skeptic's Annotated Koran
An Introduction to Hadith
Islamic Science: Does Islamic literature contain scientific miracles?
Qur'an: A Work of Multiple Hands?
Each of the above sites go into great detail on the "essentials" of Islam, and I encourage any freethinker or reasoned skeptic to seek them out for a valid education on the "essentials" of Islam. I also recommend them for the curious Muslim who has been oppressed by threats of dire consequence of apostacy and the life-long indoctrination into the superstitions of Islam. It is here that you might begin to evaluate with an objective eye of a religion that openly discourages questions, inquiry and criticism -often with the consequence of injury or death.
An Atheist's Guide to Mohammedanism
Ibn Warraq: Why I Am Not A Muslim
The Logic of Allah's Existence
The Skeptic's Annotated Koran
An Introduction to Hadith
Islamic Science: Does Islamic literature contain scientific miracles?
Qur'an: A Work of Multiple Hands?
Each of the above sites go into great detail on the "essentials" of Islam, and I encourage any freethinker or reasoned skeptic to seek them out for a valid education on the "essentials" of Islam. I also recommend them for the curious Muslim who has been oppressed by threats of dire consequence of apostacy and the life-long indoctrination into the superstitions of Islam. It is here that you might begin to evaluate with an objective eye of a religion that openly discourages questions, inquiry and criticism -often with the consequence of injury or death.
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DiamondHearts
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Couldn't this be classified as spamming as you also presented this in another thread and didn't bother to bring anything to the discussion but links.
You deleted nature's posts which were relevant to the discussion, yet you are doing the same thing now.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=67878&page=4
Or are moderators immune.
You deleted nature's posts which were relevant to the discussion, yet you are doing the same thing now.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=67878&page=4
Or are moderators immune.
No. Moderators aren't immune. I merely needed more time to make the post relevant by including quotes from the sites mentioned. Moreover, Nature's posts were deleted because he posted very large sections of other sites, often without attributing a single lick of source or citation. Clearly *not* what I have done, which is to provide valid resources for those that truly want to learn the "essentials" of Islam.
Please direct any additional meta-discussion to either PMs or the Site Feedback forum. Others in this thread will be deleted.
Please direct any additional meta-discussion to either PMs or the Site Feedback forum. Others in this thread will be deleted.
The essentials of Islam from non Muslims and atheists?
Is that like atheism from the point of view of a theist?
I also find it interesting that you post unsupported assertions by anonymous authors like "Ibn Warraq"
I also like how the Atheists guide to Mohammedanism completely ignores ALL aspects of eastern culture and "explains" Islam using Western caricatures. For example, how many non-Muslim people in the West can memorise and perfectly reproduce the Quran? I doubt if there is a single one. So that factor is NEVER considered when making ridiculous assumptions about the oral traditions of Arabs many of whom can recite the entire Quran from memory, a practice started by Omar, a contemporary of Mohammed.
Statements like this:
are obviously based on research:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/july-dec05/bombers_11-14.html
The loss of reasoning when applied to theism is laughable in atheists. This post is equivalent to any IAC post on evolution.
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Messages by people like DiamondHearts proves that there is no thinking process going on what so ever, at least no better than “Rain man,“ in the movie called the same. Muslims murdering one another in Iraq, Shi-its killing Sunnis, and visa versa, proving they are out of their mind with rage, and nonsense. They both follow the Qur’an yet they find reasons to murder one another, and DiamondHearts shows good reason why. Archeological evidence proves the Injeel is as accurate as the Qur’an, but rather than accept the hard work of many dedicated scholars, people like DiamondHearts come up with nonsense to say it is all lies. What can you do with such people? Put them in asylums, lock them up, and hopefully pick through, and try to find the ones who are not near insane, or like rain man?
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
I welcome you to disprove me with evidence from the Quran and Islamic sources.
I have merely stated Islamic belief from a Muslim perspective. It is no coincidence that they don't agree with your generalizations. You have presented alot of disinformation of Islamic theology.
If we want to talk about Iraq, then we cannot leave out the US invasion and its favoring one group of traitors among some of the Shiat Arab people while condemning the rest of the country, Sunni Arabs and Shiat leaders who disagree with the US interference in their nation. To bring this issue to a religious war is extremely foolish as their was no warfare between the groups before or during Saddam Hussein's rule. This started only when the US invaded and started meddling in the affairs of the sovereign nation.
Please provide a link for this evidence.
I believe that the Injeel has been changed because it is not consistent with monotheism (trinity), edited by many authors, and does not agree with what I believe to be the message of Hazrat Jesus (peace be to him) from what the Quran teaches.
The Quran clearly states that both the Torat and Injeel are changed. I assume this is what we were debating in the first place.
DH, as I believe I've pointed out to you, trinitarianism is not polytheism. Are you permitted to judge other religions, whereas no one is then permitted to judge yours? What does Mohammed - he who says "oppression is worse than slaughter" and then commands that unbelievers must be made to "feel themselves oppressed" - say about hypocrites and their impending punishment? And, as for illustrating errors in the Quran, does not the above qualify as a bit of hypocrisy also?
Huh? Pray, on what logic is this based?
Simple; personality extension into other aspects. It's astounding that you have this god who you think can do everything and all things, and yet he can't have other aspects. Beyond him. Must mean he has a personality disorder. I'm sure I've heard that putting limits on God isn't a good idea. 
Now: how about that apostacy thing. Fair's fair, you know.
Now: how about that apostacy thing. Fair's fair, you know.